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oyster67

oyster67

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You say that you are not a Christian? Well then, scientific confusion is the least of your conundrums. Jesus loves you and died for you. Please look into this immediately. Otherwise your soul shall burn in Hell for all eternity, and rightfully so. Thus saith the Lord in His Holy Word.

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3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
 
posthuman

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Gamma radiation tends to destroy molecules, not make them more complex and "active" ((whatever 'active' means?))

Why a proto planet in this solar system?
The prevailing theories on the topic ((none of which 'belong' to NASA - not sure what you mean to imply)) are all a version or another of panspermia - the most popular involving comets because of their water content. What makes yours unique? Other than involving a proto planet rather than an interlocutor from outside the immediate solar neighborhood?
If a gamma ray burst cannot make life from nothing on earth, why should it on some other planet? Isn't this "turtles all the way down"?
 
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larens

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Kim82 said:
The question of do you believe in a god, can you answer with a yes or no?
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I can't answer yes or no. because I am ignostic, i.e., do not believe that "god" is a useful term in describing people's religions.

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So you want to introduce a new religion to the world? What will be the aim of this religion? Will it make people happy? Will it solve life's problems?
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How happy it will make people and how many of life's problems it solves will largely depend on them and how they have done in their vision quest. There is a paradox in its focus on mathematics. On one hand, mathematics is what you get when you take everyone's experience and boil away all the redundancy. It is thus the most democratic and unifying discipline. On the other hand, it becomes then so abstract and elaborate that only a few people can understand it well. This can lead to elitism and divide people.

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If it were up to you, would you like to see your religion replace Christianity? And the fact that you feel the need to have new theories, does this mean that you believe your intellect is superior to the teachings found in the Bible?
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Christianity has already predicted its replacement. From a fatalistic viewpoint I am just going with the flow. Comparing "intellect" with "teachings" is not a fair comparison. I am in a time of much larger mathematical and scientific understanding than at the times the Bible was written. I can describe things in a way that was impossible before.


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You are self taught, but since no one has reviewed your ideas to make sure they are correct, how did you come to have this authority, and why will anyone listen to you?
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Kim82 said:
You are self taught, but since no one has reviewed your ideas to make sure they are correct, how did you come to have this authority, and why will anyone listen to you?
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I have come to this authority by developing the ideas. People who refuse to review my ideas, because I did not first get permission to develop them are just removing themselves from being able to say whether they are correct or not. I have expressed my ideas to lots of people and lots of people have listened, so they have not gone totally unreviewed. I wish that more people were able to understand them well enough to find errors. It is very difficult to see ones own errors so I have to constantly review my own work to catch them. At this point my work has become so broad that I need a team of people to help.
 
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oyster67 said:
Things will simplify and come together for you once you accept God's revealed truth. Any other way is complicated and hard and you will never get anywhere with your convoluted whimsies. I love you, therefore I must point you in the right direction.
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"Convoluted whimsies" is an insult. What in your life has led to using word theft and insults as a way of relating to other people?
 
TabinRivCA

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Here's some Truth from the Creator's manual, The Bible:

And he said to mankind, 'The fear of the LORD--that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.'"

Ecclesiastes 12:13
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man.
 
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larens

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TabinRivCA said:
Here's some Truth from the Creator's manual, The Bible:

And he said to mankind, 'The fear of the LORD--that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.'"

Ecclesiastes 12:13
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man.
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These are good statements when taken in the context of early Jewish scripture from which the modern Bible developed. Israelite religion was started by Moon worshipers from Mesopotamia. Moon worship was associated with intellectual power, as opposed to military power, which was associated with Sun worship. Israel got its independence as part of the Late Bronze Age Collapse. Scientific philosophy was developed later by the ancient Greeks. The key scientific idea that creation has a unified set of principles that must be heeded was included in Israelite religion as monotheism. The principles of the religion were codified in the Decalogue. "Commandments" must be understood in a more general context. "Wisdom" is the continuation of the idea of "intellectual power" in Moon worship. "Understanding" must be interpreted as "spiritual understanding" because the phrase "turn away from evil" means it relates to the ethical part of the religion.
 
TabinRivCA

TabinRivCA

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larens said:
These are good statements when taken in the context of early Jewish scripture from which the modern Bible developed. Israelite religion was started by Moon worshipers from Mesopotamia. Moon worship was associated with intellectual power, as opposed to military power, which was associated with Sun worship. Israel got its independence as part of the Late Bronze Age Collapse. Scientific philosophy was developed later by the ancient Greeks. The key scientific idea that creation has a unified set of principles that must be heeded was included in Israelite religion as monotheism. The principles of the religion were codified in the Decalogue. "Commandments" must be understood in a more general context. "Wisdom" is the continuation of the idea of "intellectual power" in Moon worship. "Understanding" must be interpreted as "spiritual understanding" because the phrase "turn away from evil" means it relates to the ethical part of the religion.
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God from the beginning chose the Jewish people to bring forth His bloodline, that would eventually make redemption available for all mankind. All the abstruse wording in the world can't save a soul if it's contrary in any way to God's Truth in the Bible.
 
posthuman

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larens said:
If different beliefs do not lead to different experiences, should we not just discard talking about beliefs so as to use our minds for more important things?
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i think other people also exist.
 
posthuman

posthuman

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larens said:
The key scientific idea that creation has a unified set of principles
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the ubiquity of law in the universe is direct evidence of monotheism, not a reality for which monotheism is a substitutionary analogy.
 
posthuman

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posthuman said:
common mistake, but no;
they are in Leviticus 19 and in Deuteronomy 6: love the LORD your God, and love your neighbor as yourself.
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@larens

this is the basis ((yes, i'm using that word in the linear algebraic sense)) for the law. not the decalogue. write yourself an augmented matrix of the decalogue in 10 variables and calculate its eigen-vector if you don't believe me; or simply believe Christ ((re: Matthew 22:35, Mark 12:28, Luke 10:27)) if you aren't able to crunch those numbers.
 
posthuman

posthuman

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larens said:
"Wisdom" is the continuation of the idea of "intellectual power" in Moon worship.
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no.
Solomon clearly defines "wisdom" both in Proverbs & in Ecclesiastes, and he doesn't describe it as "intellectual power" at all.
neither was the Chaldean culture humanist; not sure where you're getting this idea from but it's awfully renaissance-y in its naivety..
 
posthuman

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larens said:
"Understanding" must be interpreted as "spiritual understanding" because the phrase "turn away from evil" means it relates to the ethical part of the religion.
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no;
Solomon also clearly defines "understanding" in Proverbs and although yes, it is spiritual, it isn't a topic of ethics -- it is theological. therefore it is 'spiritual' because God is Spirit, not because 'morality' -- moral behavior derives from theology, which is spiritual, but behavior as an objective element is descriptive of the flesh, a corporeal thing, not the spirit.

i'm getting the picture that you are not actually very familiar with the Bible, @larens, so i'll go ahead and post that one for you :)

the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. ​
(Proverbs 9:10)​
 
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