Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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I guess this guy has been reading Catholic literature too.....
We had not yet come to believe on Him, in order to lead to His choosing us; for if it were those who already believed that He chose, then was He chosen Himself, prior to His choosing. But how could He say, “Ye have not chosen me,” save only because His mercy anticipated us?
Augustine of Hippo Homilies of St. John
You know there is a series of writings by Augustine I can recommend if you are interested.
We had not yet come to believe on Him, in order to lead to His choosing us; for if it were those who already believed that He chose, then was He chosen Himself, prior to His choosing. But how could He say, “Ye have not chosen me,” save only because His mercy anticipated us?
Augustine of Hippo Homilies of St. John
You know there is a series of writings by Augustine I can recommend if you are interested.
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I embrace it wholeheartedly. "We" are the Church. The Church is indeed predestined for Heaven. The Church is not like the Titanic. It is unsinkable in every way. I have chosen to accept my free ticket to get on board!! PTL.
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The verse specifically, so you cannot misinterpret it, says God chose you if you are His adopted Child.
How do you get you chose Him?
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Wanted to highlight the above. I've taught the same thing because it is Biblical: we cannot do what God has commanded, including repent and believe. Isn't that what got Israel in trouble "We will do all that you have commanded?" Exodus 19:8? Yes, they entered into a curse to keep the whole law instead of submitting to the righteousness that is from God; Romans 10:3.
There are some who believe repentance is not of sin. Well, they better go read some Revelation where it is seen that some were punished who refused to repent of their sin. By God's grace he causes us to live a lifestyle of sin, and defeat sin in our lives.
But this is the issue, too many argue all day long within "Christendom" and apparently don't crack open their Bibles very often and are laden with heresy. They have a few proof texts, lot's of straw men, and little sound doctrine.
There are some who believe repentance is not of sin. Well, they better go read some Revelation where it is seen that some were punished who refused to repent of their sin. By God's grace he causes us to live a lifestyle of sin, and defeat sin in our lives.
But this is the issue, too many argue all day long within "Christendom" and apparently don't crack open their Bibles very often and are laden with heresy. They have a few proof texts, lot's of straw men, and little sound doctrine.
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Yes, all who acknowledge Him were chosen before the foundation of the world to be found righteous by grace through faith in the covering of Christ's shed blood on our behalf, due to His great and everlasting love for us. God has chosen to save any who reciprocally choose Him this way. He spent thousands of years preparing the world so we would and could recognize and know Him personally through the working of the Holy Spirit in our lives, being revealed to those who diligently and sincerely seek, for it is promised, they will find.
Several in here teach they chose God (well, glory to them) while some deny they teach it which is quite interesting. Hmmmm.
I choose a more biblical doctrine, that God does the choosing, not the doctrines of men like Finney, Sandeman and other heretics who teach contrary to the Scriptures.
I choose a more biblical doctrine, that God does the choosing, not the doctrines of men like Finney, Sandeman and other heretics who teach contrary to the Scriptures.
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