Not By Works
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He never guarantees you cannot stray because He is at work. No one is hog tied to Him. You assume that which he NEVER promised without conditions.
If you see no value in what I share then That is your choice. Others do see value and have said so. You are not one of them.
You swallow the idea that if a person survives the GT, easiest way is to take the mark of the beast, they won’t die afterwards!!!!
But since you admit you don’t have an explanation you obviously were not telling the truth earlier!
And this by people who insist Jesus is leading them into all truth!!
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People survive without taking the mark.
He forces them so that they can buy and sell, it does not state everyone does... and those who are prepared endure and survive until the end of the tribulation.
This is the correct understanding.
Against the fullness of the cross ... a debt paid in full.................. your lose-able/earn-able salvation fails every time.
Does the Spirit pray better through you when you are drunk like JR? Does anyone else who knows Spanish say it is? That would be impressive but I notice your posts and views are likely too ethereal to touch the real world. All fluff and smoke with lofty claims of greatness.
Especially in your own eyes. So what if you say lies! Just call ‘em “mistakes” and look on how you feel about Him instead. He doesn’t care if you lie about others, just how you feel matters.
I know, I lack OSAS contextual understanding
you abound in "God's work of salvation can never be trusted as secure" contextual interpretation tho
would that everyone in this thread would also abound in patience and love.
that all our faith would be expressed in this way - in gentleness, in wisdom and compassion towards one another -- that Christ would be glorified through our conversations with one another here
Amen...
...xox...
God preserves His saints forever (Psalm 37:28); Jesus' sheep will never perish or be snatched from His hand (John 10:27-28); Those whom God justified He also glorified (Romans 8:30); Believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the redemption of the purchased possession/unto the day of redemption. (Ephesians 1:13-14) Does that sound absurd to you?
So in what sense are we "counted worthy"? In Luke 20:35, we read - but those who are considered/counted/accounted worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage.
Just as in Romans 4:5-6, we read that faith is counted/accounted for/credited as righteousness and God imputes/credits/reckons righteousness "apart from works" so we are not righteous or worthy "in of ourselves." Enduring confirms genuine conversion and divides the wheat from the tares.
We must not confuse descriptive passages of scripture with prescriptive passages of scripture and you need to understand that Paul is addressing groups of people who profess to be Christians, without being able to infallibly know the actual state of every person's heart. How can Paul avoid giving them false assurance of salvation when in fact they may not be saved? Paul knows that faith which is firmly rooted and established in the gospel from the start will endure and is not in vain. (1 Corinthians 15:1-2)
*Those who endure demonstrate that they are genuine believers. But those who do not endure show that their temporary, spurious faith was not firmly rooted and established from the start.
Do you understand the difference between the general call (Matthew 20:16) and the effectual call? (Romans 8:30) This is where you need to rightly divide the word of truth.
thanks!
this reinforces what i was pointing out in chapter 1, that 3-5 & 11-12 are two different prayers, one glorifying God in thanksgiving for the manifest salvation of the people he's writing to, and the other a supplication for them that God work through their faith in power, to His glory. His power - which is made perfect in our weakness through the fellowship of His suffering.
yes i agree that if Paul is confident they have been chosen and called to salvation, 1:10-12 seems unlikely to be praying for what he already is sure is the case and is rejoicing over in 1:3-5 and also 2:13-14.
when chapter 1 was what you wanted to talk about it didn't occur to me to go to chapter 2 before i talked about chapter 1.
you abound in "God's work of salvation can never be trusted as secure" contextual interpretation tho
@Micaiah-imla it's a joke, bro ↑
meant to make you smile a little, at least smirk.
i am famously poor with jokes.
Iron sharpens iron brother.
I desire that I can come to a middle ground of peace with the OSAS brethren.
What has that got to do with the question about how the Jews understood that message?
I don’t agree with this statement, mailmandan.
This is where the divide lies.
One who falls away fell away from being in the faith.
One who was never in the faith cannot fall away from something he was never in.
You got to be joking! You think that’s what that means or what I meant??!!
You who make every scripture super spiritual now see this one as physically literal!!!
That some just cannot hear the implications of scripture unless it plainly states the implication in a direct way.