Not By Works
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People survive without taking the mark.
He forces them so that they can buy and sell, it does not state everyone does... and those who are prepared endure and survive until the end of the tribulation.
This is the correct understanding.
Against the fullness of the cross ... a debt paid in full.................. your lose-able/earn-able salvation fails every time.
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I know, I lack OSAS contextual understanding 
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God preserves His saints forever (Psalm 37:28); Jesus' sheep will never perish or be snatched from His hand (John 10:27-28); Those whom God justified He also glorified (Romans 8:30); Believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the redemption of the purchased possession/unto the day of redemption. (Ephesians 1:13-14) Does that sound absurd to you?
So in what sense are we "counted worthy"? In Luke 20:35, we read - but those who are considered/counted/accounted worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage.
Just as in Romans 4:5-6, we read that faith is counted/accounted for/credited as righteousness and God imputes/credits/reckons righteousness "apart from works" so we are not righteous or worthy "in of ourselves." Enduring confirms genuine conversion and divides the wheat from the tares.
We must not confuse descriptive passages of scripture with prescriptive passages of scripture and you need to understand that Paul is addressing groups of people who profess to be Christians, without being able to infallibly know the actual state of every person's heart. How can Paul avoid giving them false assurance of salvation when in fact they may not be saved? Paul knows that faith which is firmly rooted and established in the gospel from the start will endure and is not in vain. (1 Corinthians 15:1-2)
*Those who endure demonstrate that they are genuine believers. But those who do not endure show that their temporary, spurious faith was not firmly rooted and established from the start.
Do you understand the difference between the general call (Matthew 20:16) and the effectual call? (Romans 8:30) This is where you need to rightly divide the word of truth.
So in what sense are we "counted worthy"? In Luke 20:35, we read - but those who are considered/counted/accounted worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage.
Just as in Romans 4:5-6, we read that faith is counted/accounted for/credited as righteousness and God imputes/credits/reckons righteousness "apart from works" so we are not righteous or worthy "in of ourselves." Enduring confirms genuine conversion and divides the wheat from the tares.
We must not confuse descriptive passages of scripture with prescriptive passages of scripture and you need to understand that Paul is addressing groups of people who profess to be Christians, without being able to infallibly know the actual state of every person's heart. How can Paul avoid giving them false assurance of salvation when in fact they may not be saved? Paul knows that faith which is firmly rooted and established in the gospel from the start will endure and is not in vain. (1 Corinthians 15:1-2)
*Those who endure demonstrate that they are genuine believers. But those who do not endure show that their temporary, spurious faith was not firmly rooted and established from the start.
Do you understand the difference between the general call (Matthew 20:16) and the effectual call? (Romans 8:30) This is where you need to rightly divide the word of truth.
thanks!
this reinforces what i was pointing out in chapter 1, that 3-5 & 11-12 are two different prayers, one glorifying God in thanksgiving for the manifest salvation of the people he's writing to, and the other a supplication for them that God work through their faith in power, to His glory. His power - which is made perfect in our weakness through the fellowship of His suffering.
yes i agree that if Paul is confident they have been chosen and called to salvation, 1:10-12 seems unlikely to be praying for what he already is sure is the case and is rejoicing over in 1:3-5 and also 2:13-14.
when chapter 1 was what you wanted to talk about it didn't occur to me to go to chapter 2 before i talked about chapter 1.
this reinforces what i was pointing out in chapter 1, that 3-5 & 11-12 are two different prayers, one glorifying God in thanksgiving for the manifest salvation of the people he's writing to, and the other a supplication for them that God work through their faith in power, to His glory. His power - which is made perfect in our weakness through the fellowship of His suffering.
yes i agree that if Paul is confident they have been chosen and called to salvation, 1:10-12 seems unlikely to be praying for what he already is sure is the case and is rejoicing over in 1:3-5 and also 2:13-14.
when chapter 1 was what you wanted to talk about it didn't occur to me to go to chapter 2 before i talked about chapter 1.
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you abound in "God's work of salvation can never be trusted as secure" contextual interpretation tho
meant to make you smile a little, at least smirk.
i am famously poor with jokes.
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