The truth about tongues: a DIVISIVE force in Christianity today

[garee]

Almost every time you use the word "as", the words after it make the sentence less clear. Your grasp of English grammar is such that you make it more difficult for your readers to understand what you're saying. In this case, "as a law of interpretation" is distantly related to the verse in question, but the way you structured the sentence, "as a law of interpretation" refers to "word". So, what you have written is, "Which word as a law of interpretation is not "Prophetic"" Can you see how that does not make sense? You expect others to understand you, and you apologize for your poor grammar, but you refuse to learn and improve yourself.

"Prophetic" also means "to declare events prior to their occurrence". That is the sense in the verse in question.

Then I should of said .Which word according to the law of interpretation is not "Prophetic"?

"Prophetic" is declaring the word of God prophecy the tongue of God .The context determines if it future. Hearing the word is in present. Today if you hear the word harden not ones heart but rather mix faith to faith spirutl understanding to the spiritual . . with words of understanding.

Its how faith "not wonders" come by which we can believe prophecy Not wonders.

The idea of hearing what the Spirt says to the church as if it was making senseless sounds .Makes me wonder?

God is simply no longer bringing and any (Zero) new prophecy.

Need more that he has offered? Some simply make a noise and fall backward and wonder? ??????

 

[Kavik]

If what you say is true, then the smartest people of the world could read the Bible and understand it better than a person with child like faith could.

Depends on their command of 17th century English.

 

[KJV1611]

Depends on their command of 17th century English.

It’s all about faith, believing every word of God is true. This is what children used to do with their parents, they would believe everything their parents told them because they knew their parents loved them and would never lie to them.

That’s another tongues verse from the Bible.

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

 

[KJV1611]

The Holy Prophetical Scripture was written be men moved by the (Holy Ghost)

The KJV is written in the (English Language), and no this isn't "Tongues of Angels"

2 Peter 1:21KJV
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongues are a sign for UNBELIEVERS. “Hearing tongues, THEY hear NOT. I’m speaking tongues to you and you CANT HEAR IT.

BELIEVERS HEAR tongues and UNDERSTAND! Believers DONT UNDERSTAND mindless charasmaniac psycho babble!

 

[Dino246]

The gift of prophecy is God's interpretation or tongue to mankind.

Long since refuted.

Lying wonders is not a gift. Gifts are proven as true by comparing the spiritual understanding hid form natural man to the same spiritual . Not literal to literal . No faith. it is also referred to as "faith to faith" .the power of gospel words not noises. . .as lying wonders

Irrelevant bafflegab.

It proves senselessness. It simply leaves a person wondering. Not a gift

Much like so many of your posts.

 

[Truth7t7]

1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongues are a sign for UNBELIEVERS. “Hearing tongues, THEY hear NOT. I’m speaking tongues to you and you CANT HEAR IT.

BELIEVERS HEAR tongues and UNDERSTAND! Believers DONT UNDERSTAND mindless charasmaniac psycho babble!

You "ARE NOT" speaking tongues to me, a false claim.

Your suggestion that the "Gift Of Tongues" is reading the Scripture to a believer who understands is beyond left field, a complete "Joke"!

Only those that received "The Gift Of Interpretation" understand tongues as clearly shown in scripture below.

Your doctrine in error is without end, what's next.

1 Corinthians 12:4-11 & 27-31KJV
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

 

[Dino246]

Then I should of said .Which word according to the law of interpretation is not "Prophetic"?

It's still nonsensical. I didn't say anything about specific words.

"Prophetic" is declaring the word of God prophecy the tongue of God .

"Prophetic" is also declaring future events, and may be of God (always accurate) or of human or demonic origin (rarely accurate, always forbidden).

The context determines if it future.

Amazingly, we agree on something.

God is simply no longer bringing and any (Zero) new prophecy.

We disagree on this point. Restating your view proves nothing.

 

[Dino246]

1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongues are a sign for UNBELIEVERS. “Hearing tongues, THEY hear NOT. I’m speaking tongues to you and you CANT HEAR IT.

BELIEVERS HEAR tongues and UNDERSTAND! Believers DONT UNDERSTAND mindless charasmaniac psycho babble!

Why are you yelling? Do you think that your ideas are understood better by virtue of increased volume?

 

[Truth7t7]

If what you say is true, then the smartest people of the world could read the Bible and understand it better than a person with child like faith could.

Not one word even suggest that the "Unsaved" could understand the Scripture just because they could read it.

Your claims are complete "Fabrication" and contrary to the scripture.

The smartest of the world dont receive the Spirit of God for discernment as seen below.

1 Corinthians 2:12-14KJV
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[garee]

It's still nonsensical. I didn't say anything about specific words.

OK ? Which word or group of words according to the law of interpretation are not "Prophetic"?

"Prophetic" is also declaring future events, and may be of God (always accurate) or of human or demonic origin (rarely accurate, always forbidden).

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Jesus said its natural unconverted mankind that seeks after a signs and wonders gospel. No sign is given. All have been filled. Compare the spiritual understanding of Jonas with the same unseen understanding with the Son of man, Jesus .It was the last sign as a wonder made known .No need to wonder when a person has faith working in them.

Preaching unknown wonderments is not a biblical foundation

Faith comes from hearing prophecy, the tongue of God. For instance. Today if you hear his voice harden not your heart but rather mix faith found in the parables. . They teach us how to walk or understand God not seen.. by faith his. Our new faith that works in us with us. That is the major purpose of prophecy .Not to tell the future.

Fortune tellers that seek after wonderments rather than comparing it as it is written to the hearing of faith that works in us .It would seem the wonder seekers are always looking to signs and wonders gospel rather than walking by faith .(Christ in us) .Jesus said if their is not sign they will not believe

Amazingly, we agree on something.

Amen. . Filled me up overflowing LOL makes me wonder.

 

[lenna]

1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongues are a sign for UNBELIEVERS. “Hearing tongues, THEY hear NOT. I’m speaking tongues to you and you CANT HEAR IT.

BELIEVERS HEAR tongues and UNDERSTAND! Believers DONT UNDERSTAND mindless charasmaniac psycho babble!

Just another hateful rant from you. You know, you could say what you do and make your point without the employment of words used to engender a fight from someone who is not onto you.

You state everything but salvation in scripture is only metaphor or perhaps allegory and believe there is nothing left to be fulfilled which perhaps explains your only recourse as being arguing about things you know nothing about. You do not have a clue what tongues are and even less of an idea of how they were/are to be used.

You do not speak in tongues and you are not speaking in tongues. You do have one of the most bizarre understandings I have encountered to date however so I guess we'll give you a 3 out of 10.

 

[Dino246]

Jesus said its natural unconverted mankind that seeks after a signs and wonders gospel. No sign is given. All have been filled. Compare the spiritual understanding of Jonas with the same unseen understanding with the Son of man, Jesus .It was the last sign as a wonder made known .No need to wonder when a person has faith working in them.

Preaching unknown wonderments is not a biblical foundation

Faith comes from hearing prophecy, the tongue of God. For instance. Today if you hear his voice harden not your heart but rather mix faith found in the parables. . They teach us how to walk or understand God not seen.. by faith his. Our new faith that works in us with us. That is the major purpose of prophecy .Not to tell the future.

Fortune tellers that seek after wonderments rather than comparing it as it is written to the hearing of faith that works in us .It would seem the wonder seekers are always looking to signs and wonders gospel rather than walking by faith .(Christ in us) .Jesus said if their is not sign they will not believe

More irrelevant blather. As I don't do the things you decry (and don't know anyone who does), I have no need to give attention to your ranting.

 

[Dino246]

...so I guess we'll give you a 3 out of 10.

You're very generous.

 

[garee]

Not one word even suggest that the "Unsaved" could understand the Scripture just because they could read it.

Your claims are complete "Fabrication" and contrary to the scripture.

The smartest of the world dont receive the Spirit of God for discernment as seen below.

1 Corinthians 2:12-14KJV
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Many who seek after what they call a "sign and wonder gift" make the spiritual understanding, the unseen, without effect. Having no understanding coming form the parable.

God declares his understanding as prophecy. they are spiritually discerned by the Spirit of Christ who indwells the believer.

His unseen witness working in us with us.

We do not compare the literal seen to the literal seen as if the kingdoms came by observing the temporal things and miss out on the understanding of the parable . He prophesies words with truth and understanding something that can be compared. Can't compare nothing to nothing .You I would think end up empty handed.

 

[KJV1611]

You "ARE NOT" speaking tongues to me, a false claim.

Your suggestion that the "Gift Of Tongues" is reading the Scripture to a believer who understands is beyond left field, a complete "Joke"!

Only those that received "The Gift Of Interpretation" understand tongues as clearly shown in scripture below.

Your doctrine in error is without end, what's next.

Ok let’s start from the beginning. Tongues were given as a SIGN. Paul is referring to Isaiah 28.

Isa 28:11 (KJV) For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Stammering means to make involuntary stops and repetitions in speaking.

Another way to describe stammering is found here:

Isa 28:13 (KJV) But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Stammering - here a little, then STOP. There a little STOP.

Are you with me so far?

 

[KJV1611]

Why are you yelling? Do you think that your ideas are understood better by virtue of increased volume?

I’m not yelling, I’m emphasizing my main points with all caps. For some reason my phone no longer allows an option for bolding or underlining.

 

[KJV1611]

Just another hateful rant from you. You know, you could say what you do and make your point without the employment of words used to engender a fight from someone who is not onto you.

You state everything but salvation in scripture is only metaphor or perhaps allegory and believe there is nothing left to be fulfilled which perhaps explains your only recourse as being arguing about things you know nothing about. You do not have a clue what tongues are and even less of an idea of how they were/are to be used.

You do not speak in tongues and you are not speaking in tongues. You do have one of the most bizarre understandings I have encountered to date however so I guess we'll give you a 3 out of 10.

I’m stating the obvious. It is obvious, and scripture says, that the word of God is HIDDEN from the world and revealed to those who belong to him.

 

[Dino246]

I’m stating the obvious. It is obvious, and scripture says, that the word of God is HIDDEN from the world and revealed to those who belong to him.

That's true, but you make two errors: you confuse the hidden truth with the gift of speaking in tongues; and, instead of merely distinguishing between Christians and non-believers, you imply that other Christians are lacking the spiritual understanding that you supposedly have.

 

[Dino246]

I’m not yelling, I’m emphasizing my main points with all caps. For some reason my phone no longer allows an option for bolding or underlining.

Fair enough. What about italics?

 

[Absolutely]

Ah, okay – I suspected that might be where it came from - 1 Cor.14:18.

With Paul, being the apostle to the Gentiles, it stands to reason that he would have used his knowledge of languages (he really only needed knowledge of three) more than his fellow believers in order to spread the word and teach the Gospel to people of other lands and nations.

Since this was in a sense his “job”, so-to-speak, he would have naturally had to speak in these other languages more than the average person.

Paul was likely fluent in three languages; Aramaic, Greek and, being an educated Pharisee, Hebrew. It’s quite possible he also spoke some Latin. He could have gone virtually anywhere in the Mediterranean Basin and not have language/communication issues.

No mystery here – he’s simply referring to his use of (foreign) languages to spread the message of the Gospel to the Gentiles. There’s absolutely zero here that remotely hints towards modern tongues-speech.

....and yet paul said there should be an interpreter.

Pretty obvious your take on the matter is poorly thought out.

Interpreter?

When he speaks their language?

Try again to reframe it sir.