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You really aren’t understanding what I am trying to say.
DorothyMae,you rely on self and not God....no one can ever be set free from an addiction...only if it’s God’s will.
I will give an example.....I had an addiction...when I became born again.....as that is when I handed my life over to God......because I had made a mess of mine.
The Lord in his grace saved me......I would pray that he would set me free from this destructive addiction.....as I walked with the Lord,I have learnt over many yrs to put my trust in him,to lean on him in all areas of my life.
After 28 yrs.....of prayer,believing in him,walking in faith......he graciously set me free from my addiction .....2 yrs ago....I did my bit as I’ve just explained.
Do you understand that?
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It occurred to me after I posted that it reads like I came here to elicit negative responses. That’s not what I meant to say. I don’t write with the INTENTION of bringing out anger or other unpleasantness in others. Not at all. My desire is to present truth as I understand it.
But with years of experience I’ve seen that the arguments or basis for OSAS seems to be so weak that when confronted with superior arguments, the response is 95% of the time ad hominem. The answer is not “have you considered this...” but “ you are (insert nasty adjective.) The patterns I notice, such as this, I try to present not pinpointing anyone in particular but I’m not always successful.
In any case, my words never were INTENTED to irritate or anger. I’m not a troll or whatever people are called whose purpose is to do so. (Not sure of the nomenclature.) I do know from experience that the fruit of OSAS can be seen in how they treat opponents. Anyone can be kind to friends. Followers of Jesus are to be kind to those who oppose them.
It occurred to me after I posted that it reads like I came here to elicit negative responses. That’s not what I meant to say. I don’t write with the INTENTION of bringing out anger or other unpleasantness in others. Not at all. My desire is to present truth as I understand it.
But with years of experience I’ve seen that the arguments or basis for OSAS seems to be so weak that when confronted with superior arguments, the response is 95% of the time ad hominem. The answer is not “have you considered this...” but “ you are (insert nasty adjective.) The patterns I notice, such as this, I try to present not pinpointing anyone in particular but I’m not always successful.
In any case, my words never were INTENTED to irritate or anger. I’m not a troll or whatever people are called whose purpose is to do so. (Not sure of the nomenclature.) I do know from experience that the fruit of OSAS can be seen in how they treat opponents. Anyone can be kind to friends. Followers of Jesus are to be kind to those who oppose them.
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I only was able to quit thanks to God intervening so I definitely attribute it to Him... 
Yes some atheists do quit... My mother who is a hardcore atheist is a good example. Quit smoking for a few years, and later went back to it again. One can get a demon out even without God telling them so, sometimes people do realize with their brains that something isn't good. But that demon will come back, if not through the same door, then come back through another door with another vice, because the infirmity was never healed, and vacuum cannot defend the house. When such a person quits they start nagging and being cranky, or getting addicted to other things like food. Because the irritation and restlessness in the flesh (which is the reason they smoke) has never really been subdued. I've seen that first hand. So I disagree on that... About the claim how atheist successfully quit smoking without God, just like Christians do. But is this really a success?
Luke 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
Luke 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
Luke 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
Yes some atheists do quit... My mother who is a hardcore atheist is a good example. Quit smoking for a few years, and later went back to it again. One can get a demon out even without God telling them so, sometimes people do realize with their brains that something isn't good. But that demon will come back, if not through the same door, then come back through another door with another vice, because the infirmity was never healed, and vacuum cannot defend the house. When such a person quits they start nagging and being cranky, or getting addicted to other things like food. Because the irritation and restlessness in the flesh (which is the reason they smoke) has never really been subdued. I've seen that first hand. So I disagree on that... About the claim how atheist successfully quit smoking without God, just like Christians do. But is this really a success?
Luke 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
Luke 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
Luke 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
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The problem that I see in your post here Dottie is your reference to watching people over the years fall. You cannot base your observations as truth from scripture for only God is good. Or only God is pure and Holy.
Job 5:7 Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward.
It takes time for us to fully understand what we have been given. And the sprinkling of blood on our conscience is the remedy for our failures. It’s not our right to judge one another as far as our relationship with the Lord. But, we do judge whether the words we hear are according to truth.
Mercy and grace have kissed in this time period. God as much more of this for us His own then we can imagine.
Job 5:7 Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward.
It takes time for us to fully understand what we have been given. And the sprinkling of blood on our conscience is the remedy for our failures. It’s not our right to judge one another as far as our relationship with the Lord. But, we do judge whether the words we hear are according to truth.
Mercy and grace have kissed in this time period. God as much more of this for us His own then we can imagine.
Nice post stones, could not have said it better myself
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Because some don’t bear fruit......she doesn’t understand why they don’t?
I think it’s because the way some speak to her on this thread...I get the same on a non believer site.....if I put one word out of place.....they jump on me.......saying Jesus would never speak the way you do.
In other words because we are born again..they expect us to be perfect like Jesus was....they have no understanding of how God works in and through us.