The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues

[Trula]

You are slick ..

...slippery too.

 

[Trula]

A moderator and a brother whom I highly respect says I should apologize, so I will do so . . .

I am sorry, Trula, for being sarcastic in my approach, rather than just outright and up-front. It was not nice. Sorry . . .

A forced, coerced apology, is NOT an apology. If you had been moved by the Holy Spirit to say you misspoke, then I would believe the sincerity of your apology, and be convinced of your integrity as a christian...but you were motivated by your pal.

 

[Nehemiah6]

A forced, coerced apology, is NOT an apology. If you had been moved by the Holy Spirit to say you misspoke, then I would believe the sincerity of your apology, and be convinced of your integrity as a christian...but you were motivated by your pal.

Apologies should be accepted graciously. I would have to check as to what triggered the apology, but even so.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Should I apologize for my approach - maybe - I am open to criticism - but I did find out what I wanted to find out . . .

Sometimes sarcasm is necessary. Even the apostle Paul used it on occasion.

 

[CS1]

A forced, coerced apology, is NOT an apology. If you had been moved by the Holy Spirit to say you misspoke, then I would believe the sincerity of your apology, and be convinced of your integrity as a christian...but you were motivated by your pal.

I tried to save your thread and support you in it, however, you are spiraling into more personal comments. I am not a pal, nor do I think his apology was insincere. I will ask you to please not to respond anymore to him or him to you. This is not your thread let's respect the originator of it. I will not say any more to you. I'm done.

Thank you

 

[Scribe]

Sometimes sarcasm is necessary. Even the apostle Paul used it on occasion.

When I post I am trying to remember to proofread and ask myself "Would I want someone to talk to me that way" That is usually the only question I need to ask, and I immediately am able to spot the things that need to be changed, or removed before posting.

I am still learning.

 

[Wansvic]

Well, I never read in acts 2, 8, 10 ore 19, that Spiritism behavings takeing place. In acts 8, the samaritians received the Holy Spirit without speaking in tongues.

Ask yourself, How did Philip and others know that the Samaritans had not received the Holy Ghost? Afterward what did Simon see that convinced him the group had received it?

Acts 8:14-18
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

 

[Scribe]

Ask yourself, How did Philip and others know that the Samaritans had not received the Holy Ghost? Afterward what did Simon see that convinced him the group had received it?

Acts 8:14-18
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

There had to be something visibly manifested. One might argue prophesy, or praising God with Joy, or declaring the marvelous works of God, or speaking in tongues. I agree that we cannot prove it was tongues but by the other examples given we can assume that was the visible manifestation that made Simon offer money. I think all will agree that Simon saw SOMETHING rather than nothing. And the SOMETHING we should assume was SOMETHING that shows up in the other examples in scripture.

 

[Wansvic]

There had to be something visibly manifested. One might argue prophesy, or praising God with Joy, or declaring the marvelous works of God, or speaking in tongues. I agree that we cannot prove it was tongues but by the other examples given we can assume that was the visible manifestation that made Simon offer money. I think all will agree that Simon saw SOMETHING rather than nothing. And the SOMETHING we should assume was SOMETHING that shows up in the other examples in scripture.

I agree. God confirms His truth through the witness of at least 2-3 scriptures. (2 Cor. 13:1, Deut. 19:15, Matt. 18:16) Since nothing other than speaking in tongues accompanied the infilling of the Holy Ghost, one can conclude it is God's method of confirmation that it has indeed happened. (Acts 2:1, 10:44-48, 19:2-6) I also find it interesting that upon His entrance into the body He takes control of the one thing mankind can not tame; the tongue. (James 3:8)

 

[Wansvic]

How did Philip and others know that the Samaritans had not received the Holy Ghost?

Interesting. The Samaritans heard the word and believed it. After believing in the Name of Jesus they were water baptized. (Acts 8:12)
But Philip knew they were missing something; the Holy Ghost.

He sent for Peter and John who laid hands upon them and they received the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:14-17)

 

[Nehemiah6]

There had to be something visibly manifested.

To Jews. The Jews did not believe that Gentiles or semi-Gentiles (like the Samaritans) would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. So in the case of the Samaritans and Gentiles, there were visible manifestations (tongues). But those are anomalies for that period.

 

[Scribe]

I agree. God confirms His truth through the witness of at least 2-3 scriptures. (2 Cor. 13:1, Deut. 19:15, Matt. 18:16) Since nothing other than speaking in tongues accompanied the infilling of the Holy Ghost, one can conclude it is God's method of confirmation that it has indeed happened. (Acts 2:1, 10:44-48, 19:2-6) I also find it interesting that upon His entrance into the body He takes control of the one thing mankind can not tame; the tongue. (James 3:8)

There were other manifestations recorded besides tongues such as once was cloven tongues of fire and sound of rushing wind, , another time magnifying God, another time prophesying. However what was common to each of those was speaking in tongues. Therefore even if there was magnifying God and prophesying present when Simon offered money it is probable that tongues was also included because it was present when these other manifestations were present.

 

[Scribe]

To Jews. The Jews did not believe that Gentiles or semi-Gentiles (like the Samaritans) would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. So in the case of the Samaritans and Gentiles, there were visible manifestations (tongues). But those are anomalies for that period.

Except that the Corinthians supports a wided spread distribution of all churches.

 

[notuptome]

Roger, you may have already discussed with others but I do not recall. I am assuming your understanding is sincere but I am not sure where you developed this idea that they understood what they were saying when they spoke in tongues. I like to read Matthew Henry but I do recall that he thought that when they got the gift of toungues it was a miracle of their understanding that they suddenly were given understanding in the foreign language given to them and could go forth and use it to preach. Maybe it was from him that you got that idea. That was one of the interpretations that Matthew later realized he had made a mistake about because he forgot about the verses below in 1 Cor 14:14

If the speaker new what he was saying when he spoke in tongues wouldn't he be able to "translate" afterwards?
The gift of interpretation being one given by the Holy Spirit is also a supernatural gift and not the simple natural act of translating a foreign language by someone who is bilingual. Any bilingual unbeliever could do that without a gift of the Holy Spirit called the gift of interpretation.

1 Cor 14: 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

Why would he need to pray for the gift on interpretation if he knows what he is saying?

Now if Paul knew what he was saying when he spoke in tongues why would he then have written the following:
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

If Paul said he did not have understanding when he prayed in an unknown tongue why would you think that he really did?

Let us exegete (determine authorial intent) the scriptures as you suggest that we should. I am wondering how you and I can both read this and NOT see the same thing? That is that, Paul did not understand what he was saying when he prayed in tongues.

In order to interpret one must know both sides of the languages in question. The speaker may know only one the side that he speaks so someone must be present to interpret for the audience when their language is not understood by the speaker.

At Pentecost we have a language spoken that is heard in many native languages present in the audience. The gift of knowledge in conjunction with the tongues. What we have in Corinth is a matter of some confusion.

In 1 Cor 14:14 we see an illustration of the worthlessness of prayer without knowledge. When we pray we speak with our Father God. We must speak with knowledge in order to obtain understanding. That is why Paul was correcting the Corinthians concerning their error. Yet many today want to continue in the error.

You cannot fry an egg without knowledge and understanding. Yet some will protest that God will fry the egg.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

no you don't know what the Bible teaches on the topic. You think you do. We have shown fro the word of Jesus Himself in scripture you do not even agree with Jesus. Acts say they all spoke in Tonues as the Spirit gave them the ability Acts 2

1Corinthians chapter 12 to 14 says that The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are given by the HS and Tongues and interpretation of tongues are two of the gifts of the Holy Spirit I'm sorry you think the HS was wrong.
You can't even prove 1cor 13:8-10 say now that the Bible was made tongues are no longer need as prophecies , and Knowledge as the verse say. You keep lying on that too. Pentecostals are not doing anything different You just are wrong Biblically and to prideful to say it. No One has ignored Scripture just you. Now he going to try and scare us with his " judgement factor " because we don't agree with him now we are not agree with God.

"YOU WILL GIVE ACCOUNT FOR THE WORDS YOU UTTER AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD. "

You are not the word of God and the only thing that happened here is many have disagreed with you are now you are trying to seek some kind of self justification and make people be silent before they suffer your Judgement call. You have lost the argument and the ability to influence anyone as to what you have to say. it i sad, You area bully, and you have been playing this game for sometime. it will not work anymore you are in error and just plain mean.

You have an attitude problem. You are the bully not me.

The gift of knowledge was shown at Pentecost when all heard in their native languages what was spoken in tongues. Does this happen today? You seem to have little interest in real biblical knowledge. Knowledge of Christ produced by the Holy Spirit ministering in the heart of the unbeliever and the word of God. Knowledge required to come to a correct understanding of the gospel producing a genuine conversion experience. John16:8-11This is one kind of knowledge sill in effect.

Knowledge of scripture is attained by study but that is not the knowledge of 1 Cor 13.

You have shown that you do not desire accurate knowledge of the scriptures. You only desire that which tickles your ears. It is God who will call you into account not me. You are correct that I will have my own words to account for but we all must appear before the judgment seat of Christ.

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[DWR]

A lot of nasty "Christians" on this site.
I do not need this.
Have fun.
I'm gone.

 

[CS1]

In order to interpret one must know both sides of the languages in question. The speaker may know only one the side that he speaks so someone must be present to interpret for the audience when their language is not understood by the speaker.

At Pentecost we have a language spoken that is heard in many native languages present in the audience. The gift of knowledge in conjunction with the tongues. What we have in Corinth is a matter of some confusion.

In 1 Cor 14:14 we see an illustration of the worthlessness of prayer without knowledge. When we pray we speak with our Father God. We must speak with knowledge in order to obtain understanding. That is why Paul was correcting the Corinthians concerning their error. Yet many today want to continue in the error.

You cannot fry an egg without knowledge and understanding. Yet some will protest that God will fry the egg.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

that is not correct it is not a translation it is an interpretation. You are making assumptions Nothing say those who spoke in Tonuges new what they were saying Paul said 1cor 14 for those who speak are to pray that they interpret.

 

[CS1]

You have an attitude problem. You are the bully not me.

The gift of knowledge was shown at Pentecost when all heard in their native languages what was spoken in tongues. Does this happen today? You seem to have little interest in real biblical knowledge. Knowledge of Christ produced by the Holy Spirit ministering in the heart of the unbeliever and the word of God. Knowledge required to come to a correct understanding of the gospel producing a genuine conversion experience. John16:8-11This is one kind of knowledge sill in effect.

Knowledge of scripture is attained by study but that is not the knowledge of 1 Cor 13.

You have shown that you do not desire accurate knowledge of the scriptures. You only desire that which tickles your ears. It is God who will call you into account not me. You are correct that I will have my own words to account for but we all must appear before the judgment seat of Christ.

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

nope not at all. I am saying you are not correct nor is your understanding Biblical. I am shocked you are not yet again casting curses on us as you did earlier.

 

[notuptome]

that is not correct it is not a translation it is an interpretation. You are making assumptions Nothing say those who spoke in Tonuges new what they were saying Paul said 1cor 14 for those who speak are to pray that they interpret.

Purely unfounded speculation on your part. You do not want to see what scripture reveals.

nope not at all. I am saying you are not correct nor is your understanding Biblical. I am shocked you are not yet again casting curses on us as you did earlier.

Your opinion is not based on sound bible doctrine. Doctrines that serve the temporal flesh are for the flesh. Christ's kingdom is not of flesh and blood but of Spirit.

If scripture is admonishing you then pay heed to it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Tzav]

I was reared in a church that taught "speaking in tongues" and never believed it, although I believe it was necessary in Acts, etc. I saw and heard people doing it but I am sure it was fake. They used their "tongues" as a toy and a matter of pride.

One person, while she says she is no longer a believer, says that she can still "speak in tongues," having fun with it. I don't say anything because I told her I would not argue with her.

To keep it honest, I did have one incident a while before being kicked out of that church, but when I remember, I want to go wash my mouth out. It is a horrible memory.