"Antichrist": Broad Deception By Narrow Definition

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TruthSeekerJG

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Those are the two horns like a lamb that you see. But his real agenda will be that of a dragon. The teachings of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC), is that the office of the pope has authority over all people or should have. Prior to 1798 the popes ruled over kings and their armies under the threat of excommunication. This authority is still valid according to their dogma. The only problem is, they currently have no power to enforce that desired authority. You ever hear of the inquisitions? Well, the popes and the RCC were the force behind all of them. They confiscated peoples property, threw them in prison, tortured them and also burned them. And this all because they would not bow to the pope and submit to Roman Catholicism. I would suggest that you read "Mystery Bablyon - the Woman Who Rides the beast: The Roman Catholic Church in the Last Days" by David Hunt. His book goes into much of the history of the RCC and its popes and ties her in wiith the woman of Revelation 17, that woman who rides the beast, which is that city who ruled over the kings of the earth and who sits on seven hills. She's a counterfeit church. And when that antichrist, those who are here will see the one with two horns like a lamb, yet speaks like a dragon. That book will open your eyes to the RCC, her popes and their true nature and purpose.

However, the time is coming when office of the pope and his false religious system will regain that power and more, which will be afforded by that ruler, the antichrist when he is revealed. The pope as the false prophet will be antichrist/beasts right hand man. All of those miracles, signs and wonders that he will be give power to do will be on behalf of the first beast/antichrist to give him credibility of his claim of being God. The beast receiving that fatal wound and surviving, will also be for the purpose of deceiving the inhabitants of the earth in support of his claim of being God.

So what you and everyone else is seeing is having two horns like that of a lamb, but his real agenda is that of a dragon.

I'll give you a hint: have you ever considered as to why there is an 82ft. Egyptian obelisk sitting out in front of what is supposed to be the true church? It was a pagan object of worship and could not possibly glorify God in any way. She (The woman) was dressed in purple and scarlet. These are the exact colors that Bishops and cardinals wear:

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In Rev.17, the angel told John that "the woman you saw is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth." At the time that John was receiving this information, Rome was that city that ruled over the kings of the earth. In addition, the angel said, "The seven heads are seven hills upon which the woman sits." This is referring to the woman's headquarters, which is pointing us to the city where that false religious system would be based.

I would also suggest that you take a look at what the RCC teaches, because it is not the gospel. It's supposed to look like the gospel, but it is a counterfeit.
Do you believe that the church/congregation/Body of Christ will be raptured before the "Great Tribulation" (Matt 24:21)? Noticed the implication that we wouldn't be around for the breaking of the first seal (correct me if I got it wrong.) If so, which scripture do you use?
 
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Those are the two horns like a lamb that you see. But his real agenda will be that of a dragon. The teachings of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC), is that the office of the pope has authority over all people or should have. Prior to 1798 the popes ruled over kings and their armies under the threat of excommunication. This authority is still valid according to their dogma. The only problem is, they currently have no power to enforce that desired authority. You ever hear of the inquisitions? Well, the popes and the RCC were the force behind all of them. They confiscated peoples property, threw them in prison, tortured them and also burned them. And this all because they would not bow to the pope and submit to Roman Catholicism. I would suggest that you read "Mystery Bablyon - the Woman Who Rides the beast: The Roman Catholic Church in the Last Days" by David Hunt. His book goes into much of the history of the RCC and its popes and ties her in wiith the woman of Revelation 17, that woman who rides the beast, which is that city who ruled over the kings of the earth and who sits on seven hills. She's a counterfeit church. And when that antichrist, those who are here will see the one with two horns like a lamb, yet speaks like a dragon. That book will open your eyes to the RCC, her popes and their true nature and purpose.

However, the time is coming when office of the pope and his false religious system will regain that power and more, which will be afforded by that ruler, the antichrist when he is revealed. The pope as the false prophet will be antichrist/beasts right hand man. All of those miracles, signs and wonders that he will be give power to do will be on behalf of the first beast/antichrist to give him credibility of his claim of being God. The beast receiving that fatal wound and surviving, will also be for the purpose of deceiving the inhabitants of the earth in support of his claim of being God.

So what you and everyone else is seeing is having two horns like that of a lamb, but his real agenda is that of a dragon.

I'll give you a hint: have you ever considered as to why there is an 82ft. Egyptian obelisk sitting out in front of what is supposed to be the true church? It was a pagan object of worship and could not possibly glorify God in any way. She (The woman) was dressed in purple and scarlet. These are the exact colors that Bishops and cardinals wear:

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In Rev.17, the angel told John that "the woman you saw is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth." At the time that John was receiving this information, Rome was that city that ruled over the kings of the earth. In addition, the angel said, "The seven heads are seven hills upon which the woman sits." This is referring to the woman's headquarters, which is pointing us to the city where that false religious system would be based.

I would also suggest that you take a look at what the RCC teaches, because it is not the gospel. It's supposed to look like the gospel, but it is a counterfeit.
I'm not getting it. So you are suggesting that our Pope is an evil genius and in the end .All 2 billion Catholics are going to against Christ. That's lunatic! That all the work that the "night's of Columbus" feeding and clothing the pour in the name of Christ. Loving and caring for millions of people while other
just sit back doing nothing but criticizing our faith? This makes absolutely no sense .
I hope and pray that God find's you well.
God bless,

rist is just a ruse to fool people into what?
 

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Where do I start. Firstly I am British and have grown up with the Royal Family. Prince Charles is 71 and second in line to the throne. The reason I believe he is not the Anti Christ is because he has not the political clout to be him. He also has very little charisma. His age in my opinion is against him and some people here believe he shouldnt become King and his Son William should be next in line instead. There is still some public resentment concerning his events surrounding the separation and death of Diana and his
relationship with Camila now the Duchess of Wales. Charles spends a lot of time talking about the environment. A standard joke
here is that he talks to his plants. He is the founder and head of the Prince of Wales trust that supports young people in a variety
of ways. In recent years he has taken over some of the Queens duties as she is now age 94 and has replaced Victoria in being Britains
longest reigning Monarch.
He's second in line to the throne? Ive always thought he was up next? Who is before Prince Charles?
 
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Most people hear the name "Antichrist" and immediately associate it with someone or something that will set itself up in diametric opposition to Jesus...one who will resist every single aspect of Him and that for which He stands...and this association is 100% accurate.

Unfortunately, this limited view of the Greek word "Anti-Christos" has caused many to mis-identify the Antichrist altogether - a Supercomputer in Brussels, Prince Charles...even humorous speculation about David Hasselhoff. Only a broader view of the word holds the key to understanding:

"Anti-" means "for, in place of, instead of, in behalf of" and "Christos" of course means "Christ". In all of history, there is only one system that has proudly boasted:
"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” - On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17​

The Papacy, with the Popes at its head, since 538 A.D. has claimed to this very hour to stand in Christ's place as Mediator, Source of Forgiveness and Salvation, Judge and Executioner, "King of Heaven, of Earth, and of Purgatory", etc. (I'll grant them Purgatory, since it doesn't exist). If you're looking for Antichrist, the narrow view of Jesuit nonsense crumbles under the weight of evidence for the voracity of Protestant Historicism. Christians would do well to broaden their understanding of church history, instead of narrowly shutting out anything that doesn't line up with the sensationalist nonsense of Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism that dominates the Christian landscape today. May God grant us eyes to see, Amen.
This interpretation sounded good 400 years ago but by now certainly you have started to realize that it is dated. The RCC lost its place in the world and the world moved on. They certainly demonstrated that spirit of antichrist that has been in the world since John wrote about it, nevertheless the prophecy of Daniel that Jesus said would be the signal to look up, and the prophecy that Paul said would happen in the Day of the Lord which had not come yet when he wrote (even though there were many antichrist spirits) this prophesy is still future an it turned out that it was not the Pope which is today a laughing stock to the world and has no power over any nation nor will he ever again. That ship has sailed. The world has moved on.
 
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This interpretation sounded good 400 years ago but by now certainly you have started to realize that it is dated. The RCC lost its place in the world and the world moved on. They certainly demonstrated that spirit of antichrist that has been in the world since John wrote about it, nevertheless the prophecy of Daniel that Jesus said would be the signal to look up, and the prophecy that Paul said would happen in the Day of the Lord which had not come yet when he wrote (even though there were many antichrist spirits) this prophesy is still future an it turned out that it was not the Pope which is today a laughing stock to the world and has no power over any nation nor will he ever again. That ship has sailed. The world has moved on.

Thank you for saying this. (however, you could of left out the laughing stock part. lol). The pope is the most studied priest for us Catholics. 90% of the people that we serve are non Catholic, But they are still God's people and we we never stop doing the Lord's work no matter how badly we are criticized.
 
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Thank you for saying this. (however, you could of left out the laughing stock part. lol). The pope is the most studied priest for us Catholics. 90% of the people that we serve are non Catholic, But they are still God's people and we we never stop doing the Lord's work no matter how badly we are criticized.
My apologies. I could have rephrased it. It was rude.

Rephrase:...

No one considers the RCC or the Pope a threat as they were when they literally controlled world powers and kings. To suggest that they are doing so today is a laughable conspiracy theory from a mind set that is stuck in a middle age fantasy of reality.
 

Magenta

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I thought it was a bloodline thing? The eldest (son) is first to throne?
If memory serves, the answer is no, because the reigning monarch is free to name another successor (within the family line) to the throne when their own next of kin is deemed unfit for whatever reason. This has caused many power struggles and heads to roll in the past :geek:

Charles is a ditherer :giggle::giggle::giggle:
 
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My apologies. I could have rephrased it. It was rude.

Rephrase:...

No one considers the RCC or the Pope a threat as they were when they literally controlled world powers and kings. To suggest that they are doing so today is a laughable conspiracy theory from a mind set that is stuck in a middle age fantasy of reality.
Thank you! lol...
 

TruthSeekerJG

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My apologies. I could have rephrased it. It was rude.

Rephrase:...

No one considers the RCC or the Pope a threat as they were when they literally controlled world powers and kings. To suggest that they are doing so today is a laughable conspiracy theory from a mind set that is stuck in a middle age fantasy of reality.
Isn't the current pope unifying all the religions of the world? If so, is that Biblical?
 
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Europe nor the pope nor the RCC have anything to do with end time kingdom or the anti-Christ.
That end time kingdom and the anti-Christ will be Islam.
 

Rosemaryx

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I thought it was a bloodline thing? The eldest (son) is first to throne?
If the queen dies , then Charles will become king , unless he passes , advocates , it will be William...
 

Ahwatukee

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Do you believe that the church/congregation/Body of Christ will be raptured before the "Great Tribulation" (Matt 24:21)? Noticed the implication that we wouldn't be around for the breaking of the first seal (correct me if I got it wrong.) If so, which scripture do you use?
Hello TruthSeeker!

Yes, that is correct! I believe that the church will be gathered prior to the first seal being opened, which initiates God's wrath, i.e. the seven year tribulation period, with the last 3 1/2 years referred to as 'the great tribulation.' I do not use a single scripture, but all of the scriptural information regarding this subject, as I do with all other Biblical subjects.

The underlying principle here is that, most everything--if not all--that God does is a legal process. That said, since Jesus took upon himself God's wrath which every believer deserves, satisfying it completely, then God's wrath no longer rests upon those who believe in His Son. Therefore, those in Christ who living just prior to the first seal being opened, must be gathered from the earth. The Lamb/Jesus is the One opening the seals which leads into the trumpets and bowl judgments. He is therefore the One responsible for the resulting fatalities from the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

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Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows; yet we considered Him stricken by God, struck down and afflicted.

But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,

and by His stripes we are healed. - Isaiah 53:4-5
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It is the same legal principle which says "unless there is a shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sins." Since Jesus who was without sin, shed His righteous blood for our sins, then that legal requirement has already been fulfilled and satisfied and the debt is therefore no longer owed by those who believe in Him.

In further support of this, we know from scripture that God does not punish the righteous with the wicked. We see this demonstrated when Abraham spoke with the Lord regarding Lot. And because God does not punish the righteous with the wicked, He first removed Lot, his wife (although she disobeyed) and His daughters from the area of Sodom before pouring out His wrath. He will also remove His church, His bride, before the pouring out of His wrath as well. However, since the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will come upon the whole world, decimating the majority of the earths population and dismantling all human government, then there would be no where for us to escape to in the world and we will therefore He will keep us out of that time of tribulation by calling us up.

In the case of the church, we have a promise made by the Lord revealed in John 14:1-3 that He was going to the Father's house (heaven) to prepare places for us (believers) and that He would come back again to gather us and take us back to the Father's house to those places that He prepared. I Thessalonians 4:16-17 is the detailed account of that promise when He descends from heaven to the atmosphere and first resurrects those who have died in Him and then changes and calls up the living believers. At that point the entire church from beginning to end will be present to meet the Lord in the air. Where at which point He will take the entire church/bride back to the Father's house. Sometime after that the wrath of God will begin with the first seal being opened, which represents the revealing of rider on the white horse who is the antichrist.

As an example of the severity of God's coming wrath, with just the 4th seal and 6th trumpet (a fourth and a third, respectively) , this would equal well over half the earths population killed within that first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. And that's not including the fatalities that will result from trumpets 1, 2 & 3, nor the fatalities from the bowl judgments. This fit perfectly with when Jesus said, "If those days had not been shortened, no one on earth would survive."

There is much more that I could present on this subject, but I think that you get the idea.
 

Ahwatukee

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I'm not getting it. So you are suggesting that our Pope is an evil genius and in the end .All 2 billion Catholics are going to against Christ. That's lunatic! That all the work that the "night's of Columbus" feeding and clothing the pour in the name of Christ. Loving and caring for millions of people while other
just sit back doing nothing but criticizing our faith? This makes absolutely no sense .
I hope and pray that God find's you well.
God bless,

rist is just a ruse to fool people into what?
I'm saying that the RCC with one of its future popes as their leader, will play the part of the woman who rides the beast.

Regarding feeding and clothing the poor etc., does not save anyone. We are saved by grace through faith and this not by our own selves. It is the gift of God, not by works. You know what the word counterfeit means? There are many on the earth today doing the works that you mentioned above, but do not belong to the Lord. If you will look at what the RCC believes and teaches, you quickly find out that this religious system is not of Christ. The wicked all over the world are performing good works, but are condemned and that because they believe in another Jesus and another gospel. Jesus gave an example of this when He said that many will say to him "Lord, Lord! Did we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons and do many miracles in your name?" And He will say to them, "depart from me you evil doers, I never knew you! This example shows that people will have trusted in their own works by saying "did we not." No one will get into the kingdom of God by performing works. But by doing good works, we glorify God and will receive reward for them, but we are not saved by doing them. Anyone who is hoping in salvation by their works, will be greatly disappointed to say the least. It is our faith in Jesus as the One who shed His blood for our sins that we are saved.
 
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I'm saying that the RCC with one of its future popes as their leader, will play the part of the woman who rides the beast.

Regarding feeding and clothing the poor etc., does not save anyone. We are saved by grace through faith and this not by our own selves. It is the gift of God, not by works. You know what the word counterfeit means? There are many on the earth today doing the works that you mentioned above, but do not belong to the Lord. If you will look at what the RCC believes and teaches, you quickly find out that this religious system is not of Christ. The wicked all over the world are performing good works, but are condemned and that because they believe in another Jesus and another gospel. Jesus gave an example of this when He said that many will say to him "Lord, Lord! Did we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons and do many miracles in your name?" And He will say to them, "depart from me you evil doers, I never knew you! This example shows that people will have trusted in their own works by saying "did we not." No one will get into the kingdom of God by performing works. But by doing good works, we glorify God and will receive reward for them, but we are not saved by doing them. Anyone who is hoping in salvation by their works, will be greatly disappointed to say the least. It is our faith in Jesus as the One who shed His blood for our sins that we are saved.
I disagree with your belief about the RCC and the pope.
 
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Well, for quite a while there has been a unification of religious leaders working together to take care of social issues.
The last time that religious leader's got together for anything significant was when they had to retract 36,000 writings in thew K.J.V.
But would'nt that be amazing if all religions unified under one God!