1 Peter 3:19-20 and 1 Peter 4:6 different interpretations.
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No they have been in Hell since the times of Noah which is at lest 6000 years ago so at the time of Jesus they had been there 4000 years.. The 1000 years imprisonment in the Bible is for satan and that is in the bottomless pit ,, not hell.. satan has not been cast into the pit yet.. He will be cast into the pit when Jesus returns to earth at his second coming.. Jesus will rule with the Saints for 1000 years while satan will be bound in the bottomless pit.. At the end of the 1000 years satan will be released a short while and go out and deceive the nations Gog and Magog..
Jesus did not avoid Gentiles. He witnessed to the Samaritan women. He healed the man from Decapolis. He exercised the Syrophoenician woman's daughter, He healed the Roman centurion's son, etc. In fact, Jesus actually avoided Jerusalem (except for mandatory festivals/special occasions) until His final few weeks before His crucifixion because "His time had not yet come". Most of His ministry was done in the Galilee, where the Gentiles dwelt.
The Birth and Reign of the Prince of Peace
"There will be no more gloom for her (Kingdom of Judah) who was in anguish; in earlier times He treated the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali with contempt, but later on, He shall make it glorious, by the way of the sea, on the other side of Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles. The people who walk in darkness will see a great light; Those who live in a dark land, the light will shine on them." (The light of the World)
-Isaiah 9:1-2
Matthew 10:5-6 was a temporary instruction to the twelve to go announce the "kingdom of heaven" to the vineyard (Israel). If they brought that message to the Gentiles at that time, they wouldn't have that common ground to work with them. But they definitely did go to the Gentiles. Starting at Pentecost, the "other sheep" were beginning to be brought into the fold and "grafted in" in the spirit (Rom 11)
John 10:16 “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold"
So if not Gentiles and Jews.... who do you think the "other sheep" and "this fold" is?
The Birth and Reign of the Prince of Peace
"There will be no more gloom for her (Kingdom of Judah) who was in anguish; in earlier times He treated the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali with contempt, but later on, He shall make it glorious, by the way of the sea, on the other side of Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles. The people who walk in darkness will see a great light; Those who live in a dark land, the light will shine on them." (The light of the World)
-Isaiah 9:1-2
Matthew 10:5-6 was a temporary instruction to the twelve to go announce the "kingdom of heaven" to the vineyard (Israel). If they brought that message to the Gentiles at that time, they wouldn't have that common ground to work with them. But they definitely did go to the Gentiles. Starting at Pentecost, the "other sheep" were beginning to be brought into the fold and "grafted in" in the spirit (Rom 11)
John 10:16 “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold"
So if not Gentiles and Jews.... who do you think the "other sheep" and "this fold" is?
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Satan fell (Rev20:6) from deceiving all the nations forever and ever. Previously deceiving the whole world as the god of all the kingdom of this world. Spreading his lie that God was a Jewish man . The reformation came . The vail in the temple made with human hands, the abomination of desolation (Kings in Israel). It was rent from the top to the bottom . There was no man standing .
His glory will not reappear until the Sun and Moon are tossed into the judgment fire along with the letter of the law. In the new order there will be no need for the corruption time keepers it wound down. . up in smoke .
Satan the father of lies uses the letter of the law "death" that causes the sufferings of hell corruption. It caused a lying wonderment in the beginning of mankind. Death in respect to the letter of the law and its suffering will be cast into the fiery judgment of God.
Without the letter , a lying spirit has no power. We are to stay off the avenue or wonderment, marveling at the corrupted things the eyes see. Its a dead end. Having no power of its own
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
The lie. "Thou shall surely not die.(Look at me and believe)
Faith departed as the glory of God departed, Mankind received a new kind of darkened vision of the flesh. The glow had left when the presence of God departed .No man can serve two masters .That which is pleasing to the eye 1 John 2:16 and a new creation not after what is pleasing to the eye but the Spirit of Christ that works in to help us to both seek his will and perform it to the good pleasure of God. .Our rest when yoked with Him making our suffering easier.
His glory will not reappear until the Sun and Moon are tossed into the judgment fire along with the letter of the law. In the new order there will be no need for the corruption time keepers it wound down. . up in smoke .
Satan the father of lies uses the letter of the law "death" that causes the sufferings of hell corruption. It caused a lying wonderment in the beginning of mankind. Death in respect to the letter of the law and its suffering will be cast into the fiery judgment of God.
Without the letter , a lying spirit has no power. We are to stay off the avenue or wonderment, marveling at the corrupted things the eyes see. Its a dead end. Having no power of its own
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
The lie. "Thou shall surely not die.(Look at me and believe)
Faith departed as the glory of God departed, Mankind received a new kind of darkened vision of the flesh. The glow had left when the presence of God departed .No man can serve two masters .That which is pleasing to the eye 1 John 2:16 and a new creation not after what is pleasing to the eye but the Spirit of Christ that works in to help us to both seek his will and perform it to the good pleasure of God. .Our rest when yoked with Him making our suffering easier.
Jesus met a Gentiles just an only a certain number on some occasions, and it was my mistake to say that Jesus tried to avoid the Gentiles, but He has instructions in MATTHEW 10:5–6 to avoid the Gentiles, certainly not the Gentiles referred by Christ his other sheep in John 10:16. It is very clear in that Jesus said in John 10:16 the other sheep He will personally must come and hear His voice, no other fulfillment is when Jesus went to spirits in prison preaching the Gospel(see also John 5:25).
Jesus met a Gentiles just an only a certain number on some occasions, and it was my mistake to say that Jesus tried to avoid the Gentiles, but He has instructions in MATTHEW 10:5–6 to avoid the Gentiles, certainly not the Gentiles referred by Christ his other sheep in John 10:16. It is very clear in that Jesus said in John 10:16 the other sheep He will personally must come and hear His voice, no other fulfillment is when Jesus went to spirits in prison preaching the Gospel(see also John 5:25 and 1 Peter 4:6)
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God is not a respecter of the flesh of any nation as if he was served by the corrupted hands of mind kind. The reformation came . Satan lost his ability to deceive all the nations in that way .Joel has ben fulfilled as evidence God has revealed he has always ben the father of all the nation.
Jesus no more avoided a Gentile sinner than did he avoid Jewish sinner. The other sheep.
I see that a little differently
The Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit is here reigning in the heart of a kingdom of Priest men and woman from all nations (You and I ).
Our citizenship is not of this corrupted order. Jesus as the Son of man said as the father put his thoughts on his apostle Jesus' heart and tongue. In so much that if the Spirit of Christ that dwelt in Jesus the Son of man did not leave the Holy Spirit could not come. Jesus did the will of the father. Not the will of his own flesh .
Like Jesus we have to treasure of the excellency of the power of God in us but are to assume it is of us. But rather like Jesus give glory to the unseen eternal will. One is the Good Master God. displayed by the work of two
You could say in these "last days' unknown thousand year he spoke directedly through the Son as a living parable. Hiding when the father moved him making things desolate by walking out of them closing the door to them. Revealing the power of the gospel when empowering Him .
The kingdom comes not by observation as if God was served by human hands.
On the last day the rapture door will be closed. We are in the last days signaled by the renting of the vail and the opening of the graves
The verse does not say that the spirit of error that works in the heart of all unbelievers is no longer deceiving the nations hiding the gospel in any way. But refers to the time of reformation the veil was rent No Jew sitting in the holy of holy .God is not man as discovered when the veil was rent .Then Satan could no longer deceive all the nation. God was reveled as the God of all nation .The fulfillment of numerous to include to include the parable in Revelation 20:6
A time of great tribulation to the whole world .One like never before or ever again .The affect will effect mankind till the end of time .Still men crying out to the rocks as part of the reformation.
Revelation 19 .The end had already come .Great picture of the bride made up of all the redeemed in Revaltion 12. The sun and moon the corruption temporal time keepers under her feet.
It would seem as Genesis is used to introduce the bride. Revelation a overview of the things to come .The last day. The twinkling of the eye .The last day the door to the wedding invitation to the whole world closes
The Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit is here reigning in the heart of a kingdom of Priest men and woman from all nations (You and I ).
Our citizenship is not of this corrupted order. Jesus as the Son of man said as the father put his thoughts on his apostle Jesus' heart and tongue. In so much that if the Spirit of Christ that dwelt in Jesus the Son of man did not leave the Holy Spirit could not come. Jesus did the will of the father. Not the will of his own flesh .
Like Jesus we have to treasure of the excellency of the power of God in us but are to assume it is of us. But rather like Jesus give glory to the unseen eternal will. One is the Good Master God. displayed by the work of two
You could say in these "last days' unknown thousand year he spoke directedly through the Son as a living parable. Hiding when the father moved him making things desolate by walking out of them closing the door to them. Revealing the power of the gospel when empowering Him .
The kingdom comes not by observation as if God was served by human hands.
On the last day the rapture door will be closed. We are in the last days signaled by the renting of the vail and the opening of the graves
The verse does not say that the spirit of error that works in the heart of all unbelievers is no longer deceiving the nations hiding the gospel in any way. But refers to the time of reformation the veil was rent No Jew sitting in the holy of holy .God is not man as discovered when the veil was rent .Then Satan could no longer deceive all the nation. God was reveled as the God of all nation .The fulfillment of numerous to include to include the parable in Revelation 20:6
A time of great tribulation to the whole world .One like never before or ever again .The affect will effect mankind till the end of time .Still men crying out to the rocks as part of the reformation.
Revelation 19 .The end had already come .Great picture of the bride made up of all the redeemed in Revaltion 12. The sun and moon the corruption temporal time keepers under her feet.
It would seem as Genesis is used to introduce the bride. Revelation a overview of the things to come .The last day. The twinkling of the eye .The last day the door to the wedding invitation to the whole world closes
In my opinion, the two verses in the original question for this OP are talking about the same thing pretty much. They are saying that Christ preached unto the unsaved by the Holy Spirit. They talk about the days prior to the flood, but then mention how this is a figure pointing to the same situation today (as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in these days). It mentions those in prison, and this just means those who were in the unsaved condition spiritually. It mentions that some of those who were preached to became saved (Noah was a preacher of righteousness), just as some of those preached to today become saved. Some of those preached to were not saved as well. The ark is a picture of God's eternal covenant with those who are saved, so the verse mentions that the ark was preparing, meaning God was moving to save souls into his eternal covenant by his substitutionary death and resurrection. The verse mentions God's longsuffering, which quite a few verses tells us is salvation and mercy. However, there is a verse which mentions longsuffering towards those who are fitted for wrath. I think, as with all preaching of the gospel by the Holy Spirit, some hear it and receive salvation, while others don't and remain unsaved. The verse in the OP goes on to say that by the same figure, baptism now saves those who are saved. This means that the washing away of sins (not a physical baptism ceremony) saves us today if we are saved.
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I may come to agree that these were fallen angels who sinned who attempted to defiling the Messianic bloodline by taking human women as wives and corrupting mankind, which was the reason for the flood of Noah's time. But more thing I want to emphasize the reason I made this thread. How these angels possible for them to mingle with normal persons and even to have sex with them;
1.) That these fallen angels were undergone physical birth, not possessing the other bodies of humans. I do not believe that they just only possessed the human body to produce their children Nephilims. Can they make their very own sperm cell or DNA by the direct possessing to other human bodies?? Certainly not.
2.) That the possible bloodline of these fallen angels who became humans(Nephilim) are came from the line of Cain belong to the ”serpent seed”.
3.) That this Nephilims did not start during Noah’s time but started earlier from the offspring of Cain.
4.) That there may a truth of Darwin's theory that human species originate from an ape, this may true to the line of Cain.
5.) That these fallen angels were spirits in prison is different from those fallen angels and satan himself who still gone astray have no chance for salvation.
ANYBODY WHO WILL REFUTE MY STATEMENTS IS GREATLY WELCOME.
I may come to agree that these were fallen angels who sinned who attempted to defiling the Messianic bloodline by taking human women as wives and corrupting mankind, which was the reason for the flood of Noah's time. But more thing I want to emphasize the reason I made this thread. How these angels possible for them to mingle with normal persons and even to have sex with them;
1.) That these fallen angels were undergone physical birth, not possessing the other bodies of humans. I do not believe that they just only possessed the human body to produce their children Nephilims. Can they make their very own sperm cell or DNA by the direct possessing to other human bodies?? Certainly not.
2.) That the possible bloodline of these fallen angels who became humans(Nephilim) are came from the line of Cain belong to the ”serpent seed”.
3.) That this Nephilims did not start during Noah’s time but started earlier from the offspring of Cain.
4.) That there may a truth of Darwin's theory that human species originate from an ape, this may true to the line of Cain.
5.) That these fallen angels were spirits in prison is different from those fallen angels and satan himself who still gone astray have no chance for salvation.
ANYBODY WHO WILL REFUTE MY STATEMENTS IS GREATLY WELCOME.
No i disagree with that symbolic interpretation that Jesus is here spiritually and we have been ruling the world since the times of Pentecost, It's just redicuous.. It's been way over 1000 years since the day of penticost.. If the preterist view was accurate the final judgement would have happened in 1030ad.. But now it is 2020 and no return and no final judgement....
The view you have was originally promoted to support the claim of the roman catholic church that it was the fulfillment of the saints ruling the earth with Jesus.. The roman catholic church played the harlot with the roman empire and only ever had sway in the limited area of the Roman empire which did not rule the World..
The view you have was originally promoted to support the claim of the roman catholic church that it was the fulfillment of the saints ruling the earth with Jesus.. The roman catholic church played the harlot with the roman empire and only ever had sway in the limited area of the Roman empire which did not rule the World..
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No return . Christ is already here reigning working in the believers as a Kingdom of priest. When the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God leaves on the last day the gate to salvation will be closed. Its the end of time.
The fulfillment of the saints ruling the earth with Jesus? That's not my idea.
Yes it is way past the literal thousand years that began the last days period (thousand years) when Jesus says it is finished the golden clock measure of faith began to wind down .
The thousand year metaphor in Revelation 20 is used the same way in other parables in the old testament and new 2 Peter. . To say that it becomes literal in the book loaded with metaphor simply does not make any biblical sense.
We who walk according to the golden measure of faith we compare the spiritual understanding not seen to the same. (faith to faith) not the literal to the literal .The literal historical has its use when mixed with faith (gospel ).
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Yesterday is not a thousand literal years
Ecclesiastes 6:6Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
a thousand years twice told is two thousand literal years.
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
A thousand years as one day. A literal thousand years is a thousand years
That seem to be the problem with those of the number that number days and people rather than e walking by faith the unseen golden measure. . They lose out on the unseen understanding .and setting dates becomes the new challenge. David number the troops as a evil rather than trusting God. Walking by faith.
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
When the veil was rent and there was no faithless Jewish Rabbi siting there in the place of God . The Wizard Satan was exposed and fell never to rise and deceive all the nations after that manner of deception. the abomination of desolation was revealed. Yet there are those who say lets build another.
Satan could not deceive the whole world any more that they must get under the letter of the law so that he can make it to no effect .Surely you will not die. Just look at me and live.
The fulfillment of the saints ruling the earth with Jesus? That's not my idea.
Yes it is way past the literal thousand years that began the last days period (thousand years) when Jesus says it is finished the golden clock measure of faith began to wind down .
The thousand year metaphor in Revelation 20 is used the same way in other parables in the old testament and new 2 Peter. . To say that it becomes literal in the book loaded with metaphor simply does not make any biblical sense.
We who walk according to the golden measure of faith we compare the spiritual understanding not seen to the same. (faith to faith) not the literal to the literal .The literal historical has its use when mixed with faith (gospel ).
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Yesterday is not a thousand literal years
Ecclesiastes 6:6Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
a thousand years twice told is two thousand literal years.
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
A thousand years as one day. A literal thousand years is a thousand years
That seem to be the problem with those of the number that number days and people rather than e walking by faith the unseen golden measure. . They lose out on the unseen understanding .and setting dates becomes the new challenge. David number the troops as a evil rather than trusting God. Walking by faith.
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
When the veil was rent and there was no faithless Jewish Rabbi siting there in the place of God . The Wizard Satan was exposed and fell never to rise and deceive all the nations after that manner of deception. the abomination of desolation was revealed. Yet there are those who say lets build another.
Satan could not deceive the whole world any more that they must get under the letter of the law so that he can make it to no effect .Surely you will not die. Just look at me and live.