1 Peter 3:19-20 and 1 Peter 4:6 different interpretations.
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Diakonos the captives brought by Christ in heaven in Ephesians 4:8 are probably the resurrected saints in Matthew 27:52-53.
Aaaaaannd?
What does "the rebellious" have to do with the quote in Ephesians 4:7? Why are you emphasizing the last part of Psalm 68:18? Why are you mentioning the phrase at all?
Do you have any supporting verses for that idea? I am open to it within the bounds of what is written.
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I may come to agree that these were fallen angels who sinned who attempted to defiling the Messianic bloodline by taking human women as wives and corrupting mankind, which was the reason for the flood of Noah's time. But more thing I want to emphasize the reason I made this thread. How these angels possible for them to mingle with normal persons and even to have sex with them;
1.) That these fallen angels were undergone physical birth, not possessing the other bodies of humans. I do not believe that they just only possessed human body to produce their children Nephilims. Can they make their very own sperm cell or DNA by the direct possessing to other human bodies?? Certainly not.
2.) That the possible bloodline of these fallen angels who became humans(Nephilim) are came from the line of Cain belong to the ”serpent seed”.
3.) That this Nephilims did not may be started during Noah’s time but started earlier from the offspring of Cain.
4.) That there may a truth of Darwin theory that human species originate from an ape, this may true to the line of Cain.
5.) That these fallen angels were spirits in prison is different from those fallen angels and satan himself who still gone astray have no chance for salvation.
ANYBODY WHO WILL REFUTE MY STATEMENTS IS GREATLY WELCOME
I may come to agree that these were fallen angels who sinned who attempted to defiling the Messianic bloodline by taking human women as wives and corrupting mankind, which was the reason for the flood of Noah's time. But more thing I want to emphasize the reason I made this thread. How these angels possible for them to mingle with normal persons and even to have sex with them;
1.) That these fallen angels were undergone physical birth, not possessing the other bodies of humans. I do not believe that they just only possessed human body to produce their children Nephilims. Can they make their very own sperm cell or DNA by the direct possessing to other human bodies?? Certainly not.
2.) That the possible bloodline of these fallen angels who became humans(Nephilim) are came from the line of Cain belong to the ”serpent seed”.
3.) That this Nephilims did not may be started during Noah’s time but started earlier from the offspring of Cain.
4.) That there may a truth of Darwin theory that human species originate from an ape, this may true to the line of Cain.
5.) That these fallen angels were spirits in prison is different from those fallen angels and satan himself who still gone astray have no chance for salvation.
ANYBODY WHO WILL REFUTE MY STATEMENTS IS GREATLY WELCOME
I'm asking if you know of any specific passages that link the raised saints in Matthew 27 to the captives in Ephesians 4
Lucy-Pevensie I had read much of commentaries that Jesus went to hades/hell was giving judgement to sprits in prison to their damnation and the phrase "made proclamation" is a more appropriate to support their view, while some interpreter used the word "preached" is a friendly term that Jesus is actually preaching the Gospel to the spirits in prison for their another chance of salvation.
- thou hast led captivity captive, Ps. 68:18 (Eph. 4:8)
- they shall take them captives, whose captives they were, Isa. 14:2
- Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken, Isa. 49:25.
- captive exile hasteneth that he may be loosed, Isa. 51:14.
- he hath sent me … to proclaim liberty to the captives, Isa. 61:1 Luke 4:18
- to bring out the prisoners from the prison, Isa. 42:7.
- thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth, Isa. 49:9
- I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit, Zech. 9:11
So you're saying that all of those passages are talking about the captives Jesus led free when he ascended?
The biggest reason I have not dove deeper into my own interpretation of these passages in Peter is, it is doubtful it even applies to us. So...what happens to those in the OT...of faith and not of faith...after they and Jesus died? Doesn't really matter to us--no one from the OT is around anymore.
But I do see the potential theological implications in one view or another. For example, Catholic purgatory. So for that reason, I am interested in more.
But I do see the potential theological implications in one view or another. For example, Catholic purgatory. So for that reason, I am interested in more.
What I quoted was the other generation .The righteous born again generation .It began with Abel
Strange innovation like making a sound without understanding and falling backwards mocking the prophecy of God?
How would you know the understanding of parables if to literalize the signified understanding? Remember without parable Christ spoke not. How many parables might that be?
Scripturally it is not applied to us(normal persons), the spirits in prison theologically refer to fallen angels who did not keep their first state but became humans then after their physical death being bound in hell.
It seems like purgatory the spirits in prisons were purified.
Humans after their death cannot be imprisoned because they are not like angels that are spirit beings.
The spirts in prison are the born again spirts of God. Their graves were opened and their new spirts entered heaven.
Purgatory an abomination is a damming doctrine that does despite to the Spirit of Grace. Making it to no effect. It assumes that after we die sufferings is still possible rather than what the Bible teaches . The dead that never rise .Their corrupted temporal spirit under the letter of the law "death" and their spiritless bodies return to where they came from.
Hell is carrying out the wage of sin all the days on one life. Believers have rest in their sufferings being yoked with Christ who works with them .
Those who are yet in spirits in prison are not born of spirits, they were bound/prison spirits because they were disobedient, read 1 Peter 3:19–20.
I also do not believe in Purgatory that the humans soul are being purified, what I only tell that its like the Purgatory that those fallen angels who were in spirits in prison being purified.
Matt 5:22
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
Jesus is teaching us about eternity.
Matt 5:23
“Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.
Jesus tteaches that if we are in someone's debt that we need to make things right before we die
25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
Jesus is teaching us about eternity.
Matt 5:23
“Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.
Jesus tteaches that if we are in someone's debt that we need to make things right before we die
25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
Here's the issue: Miknik and KJV1611 were discussing Matthew 23, in which Jesus was declaring what would happen to "this generation". You quoted a passage from Deuteronomy and referenced a couple of other passages that have nothing to do with Jesus' statement. Instead of making sure that your comments were directly relevant to the topic at hand, you took the word "generation" and went off on an irrelevant tangent.
Your comment, "It would appear this generation is the generation of faith" is essentially saying that the wrath of God would be poured out on the faithful in Christ. Is that what you mean? Are Christians going to answer for the blood of the prophets?