Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

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Truth7t7

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#42
I am confused. What year is future literal 70 week end

In the year 2020.
The 70th week will end, four hundred and ninety days after, the "Future" command to build the street/wall in Jerusalem
 

Dino246

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#43
You continue to state Jerusalem Is going to be rebuilt, stop the misrepresentation.
No, I don't. I state that Jerusalem does not need to be rebuilt. Stop misrepresenting my words.


The scripture states "Street" "Wall" Singular.

Daniel 9:25KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Yes, it does say, "street" and "wall, after it says, "the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem".
 

Dino246

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#44
Your claim is 100% "False"!

The scripture states (Seventy Weeks)

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple!

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.
Debunked already. Don't repeat debunked arguments; it makes you look stupid.
 

Nehemiah6

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#47
Your claim is 100% "False"!
The scripture states (Seventy Weeks)
My claim is 100% TRUE. And here are the reasons why:

1. The Hebrew word is shabuim, which is not literally weeks but "sevens".
שָׁבֻעִ֨ים (šā-ḇu-‘îm)

So if the KJV translators had said "Seventy sevens" or "seventy heptads" they would have been perfectly correct.

Merriam-Webster
heptad
noun
hep·tad | \ ˈhep-ˌtad
Definition of heptad

: a group of seven

Strong's Concordance (7620)
shabua: a period of seven (days, years), heptad, week
Original Word: שְׁבוּעַ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: shabua
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-boo'-ah)
Definition: a period of seven (days, years), heptad, week


Brown-Driver-Briggs
שָׁבוּעַ noun masculine Daniel 9:27 period of seven (days, years), heptad, week (on formation see LagBN 67); — absolute׳שׁ Daniel 9:27 (twice in verse); constructשְׁבֻעַ Genesis 29:27,28; dual שְׁבֻעַיִם Leviticus 12:5; plural שָֽׁבֻע(וֺ)ת Exodus 34:22 4t. Deuteronomy + (in technical term) 2Chronicles 8:13; late שָֽׁבֻעִים Daniel 9:24 4t. Daniel; constructשְׁבֻעֹת Jeremiah 5:24 (Ezekiel 45:21 read שִׁבְעַת with Vrss and all modern, see שֶׁבַע); suffix שָׁבֻעֹתֵיבֶם Numbers 28:26; —

2. Since Daniel was counting the period of time between the Decree of Cyrus and the Crucifixion of Christ (483 years), the only LOGICAL interpretation would be seventy sevens of years. And 70 x 7 = 490 years.
 
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#48
But here's what it means.

Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] are decreed upon your people and upon your holy city [Jerusalem], to finish and put an end to transgression, to seal up and make full the measure of sin, to purge away and make expiation and reconciliation for sin, to bring in everlasting righteousness (permanent moral and spiritual rectitude in every area and relation) to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint a Holy of Holies.” Daniel 9:24 (AMP)
 
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#50
Dave the fact is, you don't change (Seventy Weeks) as clearly seen and written in Daniel 9:24
You cannot take scripture literally if it doesn't pan out. You take it the way it pans out.
 

Truth7t7

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#51
But here's what it means.

Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] are decreed upon your people and upon your holy city [Jerusalem], to finish and put an end to transgression, to seal up and make full the measure of sin, to purge away and make expiation and reconciliation for sin, to bring in everlasting righteousness (permanent moral and spiritual rectitude in every area and relation) to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint a Holy of Holies.” Daniel 9:24 (AMP)
The scripture dose'nt state as you falsely claim?

[of years or 490 years]

You have "Added" mans opinions, and they are false opinions at that.

Keep barking up the tree, God's words wont change (Seventy Weeks)
 
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#52
The scripture dose'nt state as you falsely claim?

"Of years or 490 years"

You have "Added" mans opinions and they are false opinions.

Keep barking up the tree, God's words wont change :)
That's how it pans out = take it according to how it pans out.
 

Truth7t7

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#53
You cannot take scripture literally if it doesn't pan out. You take it the way it pans out.
There's no other way to view the written numerology below, other than (Literally)

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.
 
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#54
There's no other way to view the written numerology below, other than (Literally)
Do you know the corner you painted yourself into? You agree with the Pharisee's physical millennial kingdom of the future and reject Jesus saying it arrived when it was supposed to. Also = two different Christs.
 

Truth7t7

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#55
My claim is 100% TRUE. And here are the reasons why:

1. The Hebrew word is shabuim, which is not literally weeks but "sevens".
שָׁבֻעִ֨ים (šā-ḇu-‘îm)

So if the KJV translators had said "Seventy sevens" or "seventy heptads" they would have been perfectly correct.

Merriam-Webster
heptad
noun
hep·tad | \ ˈhep-ˌtad
Definition of heptad

: a group of seven

Strong's Concordance (7620)
shabua: a period of seven (days, years), heptad, week
Original Word: שְׁבוּעַ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: shabua
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-boo'-ah)
Definition: a period of seven (days, years), heptad, week


Brown-Driver-Briggs
שָׁבוּעַ noun masculine Daniel 9:27 period of seven (days, years), heptad, week (on formation see LagBN 67); — absolute׳שׁ Daniel 9:27 (twice in verse); constructשְׁבֻעַ Genesis 29:27,28; dual שְׁבֻעַיִם Leviticus 12:5; plural שָֽׁבֻע(וֺ)ת Exodus 34:22 4t. Deuteronomy + (in technical term) 2Chronicles 8:13; late שָֽׁבֻעִים Daniel 9:24 4t. Daniel; constructשְׁבֻעֹת Jeremiah 5:24 (Ezekiel 45:21 read שִׁבְעַת with Vrss and all modern, see שֶׁבַע); suffix שָׁבֻעֹתֵיבֶם Numbers 28:26; —

2. Since Daniel was counting the period of time between the Decree of Cyrus and the Crucifixion of Christ (483 years), the only LOGICAL interpretation would be seventy sevens of years. And 70 x 7 = 490 years.
You have given the opinions of men

Brown-Driver-Briggs


Daniel 9:24 clearly states (Seventy Weeks) not (Four Hundred Ninety Years)

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.
 

Truth7t7

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#56
Do you know the corner you painted yourself into? You agree with the Pharisee's physical millennial kingdom of the future and reject Jesus saying it arrived when it was supposed to. Also = two different Christs.
Your claim is false, no corner or paint around me :)

1.) There will be no future millennial kingdom on this earth

2.) Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior, I'm filled with the Holy Spirit of promise

Dave your name is Pinocchio--------------->
 
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#57
Your claim is false, no corner or paint around me :)

1.) There will be no future millennial kingdom on this earth

2.) Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior, I'm filled with the Holy Spirit of promise

Dave your name is Pinocchio--------------->
So the kingdom is here now? And it's spiritual? Good? So why the bother with Jesus fulfilling Daniel's prophecies on time?
 

Chester

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#58
Your claim is 100% "False"!


Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.
You simply disregard what Nehemiah6 said and keep saying the same thing you were before.

The Hebrew is literally "seventy sevens" - then the reader must decide what the sevens are. The KJV translates it as "seventy weeks". You decide that the "weeks" are weeks of days when the text does not say this.

I could use your reasoning and say something like this:

The scripture states (Seventy Weeks)
If Daniel meant 490 days he would have written
(Four hundred and ninety days), simple!


What he wrote was "70 sevens" (or "weeks") - but is it weeks of "days" or "years"?
And to answer that question is a fair debate - but please do not say the Hebrew text states 490 days because it does not state this!
 

Truth7t7

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#59
So the kingdom is here now? And it's spiritual? Good? So why the bother with Jesus fulfilling Daniel's prophecies on time?
Dave there will be a future plan to build in Jerusalem, I believe this will be associated with Judaism's mass propaganda on their awaited upon Messiah returning?

This Judaic Messiah will be the future, Man of Sin/The Beast/The Antichrist

Possibly you dont believe in a future literal human (Man of Sin)
 

Jackson123

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#60
The 70th week will end, four hundred and ninety days after, the "Future" command to build the street/wall in Jerusalem
You Said the 3,5 years great tribulation has been start, don't you?
What date month and years It had been start? Did It start in the year 2020?