The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues
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1 Corinthians 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
Chapter 13
ܐܢ ܒܟܠ ܠܫܢ ܕܒܢܝܢܫܐ ܐܡܠܠ ܘܒܕܡܠܐܟܐ ܘܚܘܒܐ ܠܐ ܢܗܘܐ ܒܝ ܗܘܝܬ ܠܝ ܢܚܫܐ ܕܙܐܡ ܐܘ ܨܨܠܐ ܕܝܗܒ ܩܠܐ
1 If I speak in every language of the sons of men, and in that of The Malake {The Heavenly Messengers}, and love isn't in me, I am likened unto bronze which sounds, or a cymbal that gives voice.
See the difference here?
Spiritual Languages was not the meaning in the verse you used for speaking like Angels.
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
Chapter 13
ܐܢ ܒܟܠ ܠܫܢ ܕܒܢܝܢܫܐ ܐܡܠܠ ܘܒܕܡܠܐܟܐ ܘܚܘܒܐ ܠܐ ܢܗܘܐ ܒܝ ܗܘܝܬ ܠܝ ܢܚܫܐ ܕܙܐܡ ܐܘ ܨܨܠܐ ܕܝܗܒ ܩܠܐ
1 If I speak in every language of the sons of men, and in that of The Malake {The Heavenly Messengers}, and love isn't in me, I am likened unto bronze which sounds, or a cymbal that gives voice.
See the difference here?
Spiritual Languages was not the meaning in the verse you used for speaking like Angels.
J
Not really. Because for the most part, the usage of Tongues within the New Testament is not speaking about the Gift of Tongues. And the Gift of Tongues is the Language God gives to us. It has absolutely nothing to do with Angels whatsoever. It's all about a direct communication between Believers and God. There are no Angels involved in that equation.
gift of tongues as a language the Father gives to us is a gift given to everyone on the planet that speaks a language. believers have had direct communication with the Father going back to Adam, you dont need a special language, you just have to seek the Father and He will listen to you.
J
The Bible in the correct translation is specific when it is concerning the Gift of Tongues.
From the Hebrew/Aramaic:
1st Corinthians 14:
ܨܒܐ ܐܢܐ ܕܝܢ ܕܟܠܟܘܢ ܬܡܠܠܘܢ ܒܠܫܢܐ ܝܬܝܪܐܝܬ ܕܝܢ ܕܬܬܢܒܘܢ ܪܒ ܗܘ ܓܝܪ ܐܝܢܐ ܕܡܬܢܒܐ ܡܢ ܗܘ ܕܡܡܠܠ ܒܠܫܢܐ ܐܢ ܠܐ ܡܦܫܩ ܐܢ ܕܝܢ ܡܦܫܩ ܥܕܬܐ ܒܢܐ
5 Yet, I desire that all would be speaking in Spiritual languages, but, especially, that you would Prophesy, for, greater is the one who Prophesies than the one who speaks in Spiritual languages; if no interpretation. But, if interpreted, The Edtha {The Assembly} is edified {i.e. built up}.
ܡܘܕܐ ܐܢܐ ܠܐܠܗܐ ܕܝܬܝܪ ܡܢ ܟܠܟܘܢ ܡܡܠܠ ܐܢܐ ܒܠܫܢܐ
18 I give thanks unto Alaha {God} that I, more than all, speak in Spiritual languages,
From the Hebrew/Aramaic:
1st Corinthians 14:
ܨܒܐ ܐܢܐ ܕܝܢ ܕܟܠܟܘܢ ܬܡܠܠܘܢ ܒܠܫܢܐ ܝܬܝܪܐܝܬ ܕܝܢ ܕܬܬܢܒܘܢ ܪܒ ܗܘ ܓܝܪ ܐܝܢܐ ܕܡܬܢܒܐ ܡܢ ܗܘ ܕܡܡܠܠ ܒܠܫܢܐ ܐܢ ܠܐ ܡܦܫܩ ܐܢ ܕܝܢ ܡܦܫܩ ܥܕܬܐ ܒܢܐ
5 Yet, I desire that all would be speaking in Spiritual languages, but, especially, that you would Prophesy, for, greater is the one who Prophesies than the one who speaks in Spiritual languages; if no interpretation. But, if interpreted, The Edtha {The Assembly} is edified {i.e. built up}.
ܡܘܕܐ ܐܢܐ ܠܐܠܗܐ ܕܝܬܝܪ ܡܢ ܟܠܟܘܢ ܡܡܠܠ ܐܢܐ ܒܠܫܢܐ
18 I give thanks unto Alaha {God} that I, more than all, speak in Spiritual languages,
Ever read the Book of Mark and see the words Talitha Cum (little girl arise)?
This is when the little girl was dead but Jesus brought her back to life.
When the original Greek translated that, it had no meaning and left it. That proved the Greek was a translation, not the original.
Another example:
Eli Eli llama sabachthani (My God My God why has Thou forsaken Me? Greek had no translation and left it was it would read in the original.
This is when the little girl was dead but Jesus brought her back to life.
When the original Greek translated that, it had no meaning and left it. That proved the Greek was a translation, not the original.
Another example:
Eli Eli llama sabachthani (My God My God why has Thou forsaken Me? Greek had no translation and left it was it would read in the original.
- “The New Testament WAS originally written in Hebrew. As the following scholars agree – Bevan, Blizzard, Grant, Loisy, Schonefield, Trimm, Minge, Segal, Dam, etc. They all raise the flag regarding the New Testament as being originally written in Hebrew and NOT Greek or Aramaic.”-Hebrew New Testament by, Dr. D. Briggs, Ph.D., Walden University
researchsupportsthetruth.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/the-new-testament-was-originally-written-in-hebrew/
Richard B. Hays - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Hays
Richard Bevan Hays (born May 4, 1948) is an American New Testament scholar and George Washington Ivey Professor Emeritus of New Testament Duke Divinity School in Durham, North Carolina. He is an ordained minister in the United Methodist Church .
- Nationality: American
- Education: Yale College, Yale Divinity School
- Alma mater: Emory University (PhD)
- Occupation: New Testament scholar
Bible Scholars
www.biblescholars.org
Bible Scholars is pleased to announce a new book by Dr. Roy Blizzard: "A HEBREW UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFICULT PASSAGES IN THE BIBLE." This book's purpose is to establish Hebrew as the key to understanding the scriptures, especially the words of Jesus as found in the Synoptic Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Robert M. Grant (theologian) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Grant_(theologian)
Grant is the son of well-known New Testament scholar Frederick C. Grant and Helen McQueen Grant (née Hardie). He earned a Bachelor of Arts degree with distinction from Northwestern University in 1938; attended the Episcopal Theological School in Cambridge, Massachusetts from 1938-1939; moved to Columbia University in 1939-1940;
- Alma mater: Harvard Divinity School
- Nationality: American
- Education: Union Theological Seminary
- Residence: Chicago
Alfred Firmin Loisy | French theologian | Britannica
www.britannica.com/biography/Alfred-Firmin-Loisy
Alfred Firmin Loisy, (born Feb. 28, 1857, Ambrières, Fr.—died June 1, 1940, Ceffonds), French biblical scholar, linguist, and philosopher of religion, generally credited as the founder of Modernism, a movement within the Roman Catholic church aimed at revising its dogma to reflect advances in science and philosophy.
British biblical scholar
Hugh J. Schonfield - Wikipedia
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Hugh Joseph Schonfield (London, 17 May 1901 – 24 January 1988, London) was a British Bible scholar specialising in the New Testament and the early development of the Christian religion and church.
Charlie Trimm | People, Biola University
www.biola.edu/directory/people/charlie-trimm
Charlie Trimm loves to inspire students to recognize the beauty of the Old Testament and its relevance for the life of the church today. Having served for several years in pastoral ministry, he strives to encourage the spiritual growth of his students in all his classes.
Alan F. Segal - Wikipedia
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Alan F. Segal (August 2, 1945 – February 13, 2011) was a scholar of ancient religions, specializing in Judaism's relationship to Christianity.
J
Hebrew/Aramaic
i thnk they got this translation wrong. if they really think a special "spirit" language is needed for speaking to the Father, why did no one outside of Paul ever use it. why did Jesus not teach it, why did prophets, the ones that spoke to the Father on a reguler basis, not use it. there is no mention of it in the DSS nor at nag hammidi and whats the point of it? it seems to do the exact same thing praying does. it makes no sense.
The Language I am using was the Language scholars believe Jesus and His Disciples spoke. So there was no need for a special provision like we need.
In fact, scholars and Church Fathers confirm Jews spoke this Language through to the 4th Century. That's why their version written to them was in this Language.
Plus, we have this proof!
researchsupportsthetruth.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/the-new-testament-was-originally-written-in-hebrew/
Richard B. Hays - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Hays
Richard Bevan Hays (born May 4, 1948) is an American New Testament scholar and George Washington Ivey Professor Emeritus of New Testament Duke Divinity School in Durham, North Carolina. He is an ordained minister in the United Methodist Church .
Bible Scholars
www.biblescholars.org
Bible Scholars is pleased to announce a new book by Dr. Roy Blizzard: "A HEBREW UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFICULT PASSAGES IN THE BIBLE." This book's purpose is to establish Hebrew as the key to understanding the scriptures, especially the words of Jesus as found in the Synoptic Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Robert M. Grant (theologian) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Grant_(theologian)
Grant is the son of well-known New Testament scholar Frederick C. Grant and Helen McQueen Grant (née Hardie). He earned a Bachelor of Arts degree with distinction from Northwestern University in 1938; attended the Episcopal Theological School in Cambridge, Massachusetts from 1938-1939; moved to Columbia University in 1939-1940;
www.britannica.com/biography/Alfred-Firmin-Loisy
Alfred Firmin Loisy, (born Feb. 28, 1857, Ambrières, Fr.—died June 1, 1940, Ceffonds), French biblical scholar, linguist, and philosopher of religion, generally credited as the founder of Modernism, a movement within the Roman Catholic church aimed at revising its dogma to reflect advances in science and philosophy.
British biblical scholar
Hugh J. Schonfield - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_J._Schonfield
Hugh Joseph Schonfield (London, 17 May 1901 – 24 January 1988, London) was a British Bible scholar specialising in the New Testament and the early development of the Christian religion and church.
Charlie Trimm | People, Biola University
www.biola.edu/directory/people/charlie-trimm
Charlie Trimm loves to inspire students to recognize the beauty of the Old Testament and its relevance for the life of the church today. Having served for several years in pastoral ministry, he strives to encourage the spiritual growth of his students in all his classes.
Alan F. Segal - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_F._Segal
Alan F. Segal (August 2, 1945 – February 13, 2011) was a scholar of ancient religions, specializing in Judaism's relationship to Christianity.
Plus, we have this proof!
- “The New Testament WAS originally written in Hebrew. As the following scholars agree – Bevan, Blizzard, Grant, Loisy, Schonefield, Trimm, Minge, Segal, Dam, etc. They all raise the flag regarding the New Testament as being originally written in Hebrew and NOT Greek or Aramaic.”-Hebrew New Testament by, Dr. D. Briggs, Ph.D., Walden University
researchsupportsthetruth.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/the-new-testament-was-originally-written-in-hebrew/
Richard B. Hays - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Hays
Richard Bevan Hays (born May 4, 1948) is an American New Testament scholar and George Washington Ivey Professor Emeritus of New Testament Duke Divinity School in Durham, North Carolina. He is an ordained minister in the United Methodist Church .
- Nationality: American
- Education: Yale College, Yale Divinity School
- Alma mater: Emory University (PhD)
- Occupation: New Testament scholar
Bible Scholars
www.biblescholars.org
Bible Scholars is pleased to announce a new book by Dr. Roy Blizzard: "A HEBREW UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFICULT PASSAGES IN THE BIBLE." This book's purpose is to establish Hebrew as the key to understanding the scriptures, especially the words of Jesus as found in the Synoptic Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Robert M. Grant (theologian) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Grant_(theologian)
Grant is the son of well-known New Testament scholar Frederick C. Grant and Helen McQueen Grant (née Hardie). He earned a Bachelor of Arts degree with distinction from Northwestern University in 1938; attended the Episcopal Theological School in Cambridge, Massachusetts from 1938-1939; moved to Columbia University in 1939-1940;
- Alma mater: Harvard Divinity School
- Nationality: American
- Education: Union Theological Seminary
- Residence: Chicago
www.britannica.com/biography/Alfred-Firmin-Loisy
Alfred Firmin Loisy, (born Feb. 28, 1857, Ambrières, Fr.—died June 1, 1940, Ceffonds), French biblical scholar, linguist, and philosopher of religion, generally credited as the founder of Modernism, a movement within the Roman Catholic church aimed at revising its dogma to reflect advances in science and philosophy.
British biblical scholar
Hugh J. Schonfield - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_J._Schonfield
Hugh Joseph Schonfield (London, 17 May 1901 – 24 January 1988, London) was a British Bible scholar specialising in the New Testament and the early development of the Christian religion and church.
Charlie Trimm | People, Biola University
www.biola.edu/directory/people/charlie-trimm
Charlie Trimm loves to inspire students to recognize the beauty of the Old Testament and its relevance for the life of the church today. Having served for several years in pastoral ministry, he strives to encourage the spiritual growth of his students in all his classes.
Alan F. Segal - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_F._Segal
Alan F. Segal (August 2, 1945 – February 13, 2011) was a scholar of ancient religions, specializing in Judaism's relationship to Christianity.
J
The Bible in the correct translation is specific when it is concerning the Gift of Tongues.
From the Hebrew/Aramaic:
1st Corinthians 14:
ܨܒܐ ܐܢܐ ܕܝܢ ܕܟܠܟܘܢ ܬܡܠܠܘܢ ܒܠܫܢܐ ܝܬܝܪܐܝܬ ܕܝܢ ܕܬܬܢܒܘܢ ܪܒ ܗܘ ܓܝܪ ܐܝܢܐ ܕܡܬܢܒܐ ܡܢ ܗܘ ܕܡܡܠܠ ܒܠܫܢܐ ܐܢ ܠܐ ܡܦܫܩ ܐܢ ܕܝܢ ܡܦܫܩ ܥܕܬܐ ܒܢܐ
5 Yet, I desire that all would be speaking in Spiritual languages, but, especially, that you would Prophesy, for, greater is the one who Prophesies than the one who speaks in Spiritual languages; if no interpretation. But, if interpreted, The Edtha {The Assembly} is edified {i.e. built up}.
ܡܘܕܐ ܐܢܐ ܠܐܠܗܐ ܕܝܬܝܪ ܡܢ ܟܠܟܘܢ ܡܡܠܠ ܐܢܐ ܒܠܫܢܐ
18 I give thanks unto Alaha {God} that I, more than all, speak in Spiritual languages,
From the Hebrew/Aramaic:
1st Corinthians 14:
ܨܒܐ ܐܢܐ ܕܝܢ ܕܟܠܟܘܢ ܬܡܠܠܘܢ ܒܠܫܢܐ ܝܬܝܪܐܝܬ ܕܝܢ ܕܬܬܢܒܘܢ ܪܒ ܗܘ ܓܝܪ ܐܝܢܐ ܕܡܬܢܒܐ ܡܢ ܗܘ ܕܡܡܠܠ ܒܠܫܢܐ ܐܢ ܠܐ ܡܦܫܩ ܐܢ ܕܝܢ ܡܦܫܩ ܥܕܬܐ ܒܢܐ
5 Yet, I desire that all would be speaking in Spiritual languages, but, especially, that you would Prophesy, for, greater is the one who Prophesies than the one who speaks in Spiritual languages; if no interpretation. But, if interpreted, The Edtha {The Assembly} is edified {i.e. built up}.
ܡܘܕܐ ܐܢܐ ܠܐܠܗܐ ܕܝܬܝܪ ܡܢ ܟܠܟܘܢ ܡܡܠܠ ܐܢܐ ܒܠܫܢܐ
18 I give thanks unto Alaha {God} that I, more than all, speak in Spiritual languages,
4 The one who speaks in a Spiritual language is edifying his own soul, and the one who Prophesies, edifies The Edtha {The Assembly}.
This is from TheHolyAramaicScriptures.com, they have the word “spiritual” in italics which usually means its not part of the original.
J
The Language I am using was the Language scholars believe Jesus and His Disciples spoke. So there was no need for a special provision like we need.
https://theholyaramaicscriptures.weebly.com/1-cor-14.html
4 The one who speaks in a Spiritual language is edifying his own soul, and the one who Prophesies, edifies The Edtha {The Assembly}.
This is from TheHolyAramaicScriptures.com, they have the word “spiritual” in italics which usually means its not part of the original.
4 The one who speaks in a Spiritual language is edifying his own soul, and the one who Prophesies, edifies The Edtha {The Assembly}.
This is from TheHolyAramaicScriptures.com, they have the word “spiritual” in italics which usually means its not part of the original.
Nope:
This is directly from what I am using.
ܨܒܐ ܐܢܐ ܕܝܢ ܕܟܠܟܘܢ ܬܡܠܠܘܢ ܒܠܫܢܐ ܝܬܝܪܐܝܬ ܕܝܢ ܕܬܬܢܒܘܢ ܪܒ ܗܘ ܓܝܪ ܐܝܢܐ ܕܡܬܢܒܐ ܡܢ ܗܘ ܕܡܡܠܠ ܒܠܫܢܐ ܐܢ ܠܐ ܡܦܫܩ ܐܢ ܕܝܢ ܡܦܫܩ ܥܕܬܐ ܒܢܐ
5 Yet, I desire that all would be speaking in Spiritual languages, but, especially, that you would Prophesy, for, greater is the one who Prophesies than the one who speaks in Spiritual languages; if no interpretation. But, if interpreted, The Edtha {The Assembly} is edified {i.e. built up}.
There is no "spiritual" in these manuscripts