The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The antichrist is a "spirit," not a man. That spirit can live within a man. But that spirit one day will be a real demonic being who will possess powers that will make people believe he is God. Tell me of any man in history, outside of Christ Himself, who has shown such powers? Since there has never been a second to possess such powers, that means there is that still to come.

Can the Pope say to the waters, depart, and the waters disappear?

NOPE!

He, or anyone like him ain't the true Antichrist!

1) When one pope dies, he is replaced by the next man. As one man succeeds the next, the same demonic spirit resides within each and every pope.
2) I went and highlighted this statement of yours. I highlighted it because it is nothing but pure baseless speculation.
3) I will tell you that the Popes have performed miracles, and they have final say on whether the catholic church recogizes and approves of miracles which means the Pope has authority over the miracles. I recommend you read up on the Miracle of the Sun, it is totally fascinating. While at it why don't you learn about the multitude of other false miracles of the Roman Catholic Church. Here is one small example.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-and-his-blessing-healed-her-heart-mom-says/
4) all your assumptions are unfounded.

 

[SoulWeaver]

I believe OP has gotten a lot of preterist teachings wrong in the introduction, a lot of the things listed is what futurists typically ASSUME that preterists believe (so this is pretty much another strawman thread). In addition, preterism probably varies within itself as much as futurism.
I'm neither fully a preterist nor a futurist myself, just for the record.
I just see little point in setting up a strawman and debating with myself how I have brilliant arguments.

 

[cv5]

We have not had to choose between God or the Mark of the Beast, no one is being beheaded, Satan is still running around free, No true Demonic Antichrist with powers like God, no Two Witnesses, no death of the Two Witnesses, no Israel realizing the Antichrist is not God and there is war, no Armageddon.

Where does this all fall at?

Soon. Very soon indeed.

http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html

 

[cv5]

I believe OP has gotten a lot of preterist teachings wrong in the introduction, a lot of the things listed is what futurists typically ASSUME that preterists believe (so this is pretty much another strawman thread). In addition, preterism probably varies within itself as much as futurism.
I'm neither fully a preterist nor a futurist myself, just for the record.
I just see little point in setting up a strawman and debating with myself how I have brilliant arguments.

There is only one correct view. Given the state of the world any astute observer can make the right choice if they are sincere.

 

[SoulWeaver]

There is only one correct view. Given the state of the world any astute observer can make the right choice if they are sincere.

And that happens to be your view?

 

[biker]

1) When one pope dies, he is replaced by the next man. As one man succeeds the next, the same demonic spirit resides within each and every pope.
2) I went and highlighted this statement of yours. I highlighted it because it is nothing but pure baseless speculation.
3) I will tell you that the Popes have performed miracles, and they have final say on whether the catholic church recogizes and approves of miracles which means the Pope has authority over the miracles. I recommend you read up on the Miracle of the Sun, it is totally fascinating. While at it why don't you learn about the multitude of other false miracles of the Roman Catholic Church. Here is one small example.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-and-his-blessing-healed-her-heart-mom-says/
4) all your assumptions are unfounded.

Excellent Point!

Antichrist is a bad choice and the Pope has always called himself antichrist. So that is a given.


I looked up what I was talking about and I made an error using the term antichrist.

This is what I should be using:

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 

[cv5]

And that happens to be your view?

I said the correct view. I just happen to agree with it.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I believe OP has gotten a lot of preterist teachings wrong in the introduction, a lot of the things listed is what futurists typically ASSUME that preterists believe...

Why don't you quote from actual Preterists to prove your point?

On the other hand I can quote from actual Preterists to support each and every one of the errors which have been listed. So go ahead and show us how the believe the opposites.

 

[cv5]

Why don't you quote from actual Preterists to prove your point?

On the other hand I can quote from actual Preterists to support each and every one of the errors which have been listed. So go ahead and show us how the believe the opposites.

That poster is a troll. Just put him/her on iggy. Another troublemaker who is not looking for the truth but is looking to defy/deny the truth.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So the anti-christ was present in 70AD and he has been present ever since. He was the succession of Roman Emperor and then switched over to the succession of Roman Pontiff.

This is a good example of the absurdity which is the mark of Preterism.

The Bible is very clear that God has allotted just 3 1/2 years (42 months, 1260 days, time, times, and half a time or the dividing of time) to the reign of the Antichrist. (time = 1 year + times = 2 years + half a time = 6 months.)

And he [the Antichrist] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (Dan 7:25)

And there was given unto him [the Antichrist] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5)

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. (Dan 12:7)

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev 12:14)

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. (Rev 11:2,3)

So to claim that he is has been around for over 2,000 years is total nonsense.

 

[KJV1611]

It states we will be caught away. That means to leave. When did we leave because I still sin but in Heaven there can be no sin.

It is appointed to man once to die and then the judgement. Being caught away without dying contradicts that verse so it can't mean mean be raptured out of here without dying first.

 

[Ahwatukee]

This is a good example of the absurdity which is the mark of Preterism.

The Bible is very clear that God has allotted just 3 1/2 years (42 months, 1260 days, time, times, and half a time or the dividing of time) to the reign of the Antichrist. (time = 1 year + times = 2 years + half a time = 6 months.)

And he [the Antichrist] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (Dan 7:25)

And there was given unto him [the Antichrist] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5)

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. (Dan 12:7)

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev 12:14)

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. (Rev 11:2,3)

So to claim that he is has been around for over 2,000 years is total nonsense.

Not to mention that all of the plagues of wrath mentioned in Revelation would have had to have taken place. I haven't seen any locust scorpions running around lately. And I have been down to the beach just recently and it was not turned into blood.

 

[KJV1611]

I cannot argue with that viewpoint. But that still does not explain the 2nd Coming after the Tribulation, Armageddon.

There is no 7 year tribulation anywhere in the bible. That's just more dispensational made up theology.

 

[Truth7t7]

How do you rationalize THIS GENERATION being anything other than the generation present before Jesus at the time he said it?

As I said, the generation Jesus was talking about was a "Future" generation, those that would witness "All" the "Future Events"

Just as the complete chapter of Matthew 24 evolves around two questions as seen in Matthew 24:3 below?

"Future Events"

1. Jesus Second Coming

2. The End Of This World.

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

[Nehemiah6]

It is appointed to man once to die and then the judgement. Being caught away without dying contradicts that verse so it can't mean mean be raptured out of here without dying first.

"Unto man" is a reference to mankind in general. All men are destined to die.

However that does not apply to the saints of God (the redeemed). Those who are alive at the Resurrection of the saints will defeat death by being transformed, glorified, and taken up to Heaven at the Rapture.

THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep [DIE PHYSICALLY], but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Cor 15:51,52)

 

[Truth7t7]

There is no 7 year tribulation anywhere in the bible. That's just more dispensational made up theology.

What does the 1260 days in Revelation 11:3 represent as seen below?

Revelation 11:3KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

What does the 42 months in Revelation 13:5 represent as seen below?

Revelation 13:4-5KJV
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[KJV1611]

As I said, the generation Jesus was talking about was a "Future" generation, those that would witness "All" the "Future Events"

Just as the complete chapter of Matthew 24 evolves around two questions as seen in Matthew 24:3 below?

"Future Events"

1. Jesus Second Coming

2. The End Of This World.

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Isa_45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Eph_3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

There are two places in the bible that says the world doesn't end but in other places it says that the world does end. So there is more than one meaning of "world" used in the bible. So when the disciples ask about the end of the world, which world were they talking about?

 

[cv5]

It is appointed to man once to die and then the judgement. Being caught away without dying contradicts that verse so it can't mean mean be raptured out of here without dying first.

Oopsie! No death no judgment here!

(John 5:24)
Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.

Wrong again eh KJV1611?

 

[Guojing]

There is no 7 year tribulation anywhere in the bible. That's just more dispensational made up theology.

For me, I am pleasantly surprised to find that so many people here, who will reject dispensationalism and insist that the gospel is the same throughout the OT and NT, will also insist that there is a pre-tribulation rapture of the body of Christ.

I mean, if its the same gospel even during the Tribulation, why even the need for the rapture of one group? What purpose does the rapture serve in this case?

Why not have every Christian remain on Earth to preach that ONE gospel during the Tribulation?

 

[cv5]

There is no 7 year tribulation anywhere in the bible. That's just more dispensational made up theology.

Either that or it's more amillennial denied eschatology. Nothing that astute Bible students can't sort out that's for sure.