"Not by works" - false!

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DBurrage said:
You've allowed your view of the Bible to be based upon the interpretations of others, and shaped by 'accepted wisdom'.

Now, tell me you love me deeply.
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What have shown us in 58 pages is you cannot defend your dogma.

And sink down to wackiness as a defense.
 
EleventhHour said:
Good luck attaining your salvation...but you will need much more than luck .. you will need a Saviour

LOL ... and you say I do not know scripture.

attain - verb

succeed in achieving (something that one desires and has worked for).
"clarify your objectives and ways of attaining them"
Webster Dictionary
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Everybody knows you don't attain salvation through the merit of righteous works of the law. :LOL:
You attain salvation through faith and the perseverance of faith:

"10 God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. 11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, so that what you hope for may be fully realized. 12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised. " - Hebrews 6:10-12

As you can see above, faith and the perseverance of faith is faith expressing itself in works of love. The very thing that Paul says here:

"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." - Galatians 5:6

Saving faith is not a lazy, do nothing, 'faith alone' that thinks it's going to inherit the kingdom of God just because it knows that Christ is the Messiah (even the demons know that). As we see, the faith that justifies is the faith that works. Dead faith counts for nothing. If your faith does not work then you do not have faith and the perseverance of faith in your life. You will inherit nothing when Christ returns.
 
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DBurrage said:
I'm not saying that you said or did not say. I'm asking you straight up: should Christians keep God's commandments?
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I have answered you so many times I lost count.

I am sick of this childish game

Tell me that I have said otherwise. or stop inisting that I have said otherwise.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
I have answered you so many times I lost count.

I am sick of this childish game

Tell me that I have said otherwise. or stop inisting that I have said otherwise.
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His behavior is very troll like.. meaning looking to cause dissension which he has done very effectively and not really defending TRUTH

which I think means we should all vacate the thread... he only wants affirmation of his error.
 
EleventhHour said:
There is one act of obedience required of a person for salvation.

To believe IN Christ Jesus as Lord and Saviour.
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faith expressing itself in love. (Galatians 5:6)

You people always conveniently leave off that part.
You think dead faith is saving faith.
You say faith that doesn't express itself in love is also the faith that justifies.
I guess Paul was wasting ink when he said faith expressing itself in love is what counts if it's just as true that faith that doesn't express itself in love counts too.

If your so-called faith does not work then you do not have the faith that justifies apart from works. If you were truly justified apart from works YOU'D WORK.
 
DBurrage said:
Oh so now I'm the one that's mocking, and yet the people hassling me won't say whether we should keep the Lord's commandments.

Right on sister.
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everyone has answered you.

So yes. My continuing to say this, you are not only mocking them. you are bearing false witness..

both are sins.

and since they continue on and have for over a day now. These sins would be deemed to be willfull and fragrant.

You better hope your view of heb 10 is wrong.
 
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