"Not by works" - false!
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See post # 235 where the OP clearly refutes that he believes commandment keeping brings salvation:
"What causes an uproar is when people seem to imply that salvation is based on our best efforts to stop sinning and commandment keeping. Then the line gets crossed into salvation by works."
"Yes but that it not what is being said in this thread." - the OP's response
"What causes an uproar is when people seem to imply that salvation is based on our best efforts to stop sinning and commandment keeping. Then the line gets crossed into salvation by works."
"Yes but that it not what is being said in this thread." - the OP's response
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DBurrage says that's not what is being said in this thread, yet he continues to imply otherwise with his repeated line of reasoning while avoiding giving direct answers to direct questions. I wish I had $1 for every time I heard someone say they don't believe this or that on a Christian forum, then turn around and contradict themselves, not even realizing they do actually believe this or that. If this isn't the case for DBurrage, then he needs to be more specific with his answers. Otherwise, his responses will continue to sound like double speak.
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You can call it every ugly name you want. It will never change the fact that both have the same end result, the law is abolished. That's what Crowley taught and that's what grace only teaches. You either follow the law or you you do not. You can't have it both ways. You guys ignoring this issue only makes this doctrine look less credible
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if the law is not abolished
No one will make it to heaven
This is what the law teaches.. The ONLY one one can redeemed according to the law is through animal sacrifice. Animals have not been sacrificed in the temple since ad70.. So s paul said, If you are under law. you are under a curse..
Good luck tryign to relate to God and think he will restor you according to the law.
No one will make it to heaven
This is what the law teaches.. The ONLY one one can redeemed according to the law is through animal sacrifice. Animals have not been sacrificed in the temple since ad70.. So s paul said, If you are under law. you are under a curse..
Good luck tryign to relate to God and think he will restor you according to the law.
Hey, that would be a good way to get rich quick! $1 each time would add up quick.
I agree with you that DBurrage's language is very confusing and seems contradictory. On post #642 I simply pointed out what he did say directly - and I just take that at face value.
Sometimes language and ways of saying things with people of different nationalities and religious and cultural backgrounds just doesn't always bring complete clarity . . . seems to be the case here . . .
I agree with you that DBurrage's language is very confusing and seems contradictory. On post #642 I simply pointed out what he did say directly - and I just take that at face value.
Sometimes language and ways of saying things with people of different nationalities and religious and cultural backgrounds just doesn't always bring complete clarity . . . seems to be the case here . . .
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So my brother-in-law who at one time claimed to be a Christian, but now lives openly in ongoing willful sin, is not a Christian. On that we agree.
But then I refuse to make a judgment on his former state: I let God judge whether or not he was ever a true believer or not. Not that it really matters today: an unbeliever goes to hell!
But then I refuse to make a judgment on his former state: I let God judge whether or not he was ever a true believer or not. Not that it really matters today: an unbeliever goes to hell!
1 John 3:7 - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
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One thing is for sure, We do not practice sin.
It is actually poison to us. For those who have been born of God they know what I am talking about. Its different than before we were born again, Where it did not really affect us. After. the emotional, the physical. the pain and suffering which digs at us is different.. The Lord chastens those who are his.. Thats why we can not contonue in those things by practicing them
It is actually poison to us. For those who have been born of God they know what I am talking about. Its different than before we were born again, Where it did not really affect us. After. the emotional, the physical. the pain and suffering which digs at us is different.. The Lord chastens those who are his.. Thats why we can not contonue in those things by practicing them
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Yes I agree...
Before the LORD called me , I was a drunk , at least 3 times a week...
I would spend the days I did not drink swearing I would never drink again , and on and on it went...
When the Lord called me , I was still in the habit of drinking , yet the word started cutting through me , sometimes through my bones and marrow , sometimes in gentleness , nevertheless Gods word it true , and the truth broke them chains...
I now practice being sober , the Holy Spirit is doing a Mighty work in me , I no longer practice what is behind me...
I will always have to be careful around alcohol , yet I do know should I ever fall into temptation , my God is there to pick me up and set me on my feet again...
I do not willfully seek no more to drink , but I am always aware the evil one is crouching , but my Lord is covering me Amen...
...xox...
Before the LORD called me , I was a drunk , at least 3 times a week...
I would spend the days I did not drink swearing I would never drink again , and on and on it went...
When the Lord called me , I was still in the habit of drinking , yet the word started cutting through me , sometimes through my bones and marrow , sometimes in gentleness , nevertheless Gods word it true , and the truth broke them chains...
I now practice being sober , the Holy Spirit is doing a Mighty work in me , I no longer practice what is behind me...
I will always have to be careful around alcohol , yet I do know should I ever fall into temptation , my God is there to pick me up and set me on my feet again...
I do not willfully seek no more to drink , but I am always aware the evil one is crouching , but my Lord is covering me Amen...
...xox...
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