THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

garee · May 11, 2020

Stop your ridiculous dancing around and just answer the question: Yes or No.

Scripture seems clear your the one that's dancing. Can you show me some verse support the idea that say God is a man? a creation

I have already answered more than once and in more than one way . Again God is not a man ,The bible answers the question
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Now you turn is God a man. Do we not know eternal God after the flesh ? Yes or no

DWR · May 11, 2020

Lucy-Pevensie said:

VCO said:

Depends what you mean by ALL BELIEVERS.

NO, the Tribulation Martyred Saints, who do not take the MARK of the BEAST, they arrive Late, but they do arrive, IF THEY TRULY ARE Born Again.

John 3:3 (HCSB)
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

John 3:5 (YLT)
5 Jesus answered, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God;

Matthew 25:4 (HCSB)
4 But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps. {Symbolizes the HOLY SPIRIT in our HEARTS or Human Spirit.}

Matthew 25:12-13 (HCSB)
12 “But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’ {That inner, personal, AGAPE LOVE that ONLY comes thru the Born Again experience. Rom. 5:5, where you willingly surrender out of AGAPE LOVE for HIM forever.}
13 “Therefore be alert, because you don’t know either the day or the hour.

Luke 12:35-40 (NIV)
35 "Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning,
36 like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him.
37 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them.
38 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night.
39 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into.
40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
10 They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
11 So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 16:2 (NCV)
2 The first angel left and poured out his bowl on the land. Then ugly and painful sores came upon all those who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his idol.

Revelation 20:15 (NCV)
15 And anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Yes, their is what GOD say will HAPPEN. I believe it will happen Literally.

You see being a disciple does not mean you are SAVED, it only means they are FOLLOWERS, look it up.

Being BORN AGAIN, guaranties SALVATION.

It seems to me you are saying those who do not believe in the pre-trib rapture are not really saved.
Did I misunderstand you?

garee · May 11, 2020

bojack said:

The Jews moved by the father of lies are crying out to rocks in a hope of a fleshly God in vain .God is not a man he is Spirit. A distinction between the unseen things of God and those of men must be made. Its there that Satan get a foot in the door.

Jesus came to demonstrate the work of sufferings as a lamb slain that was previously performed from before the foundation of the world it was set up as part of the work God. The same time period he wrote the the books of all the elect and all who would be born . Having completed all the work God rested on the 7th. Just where he is today. The same rest we enter into by faith. Watching the work of his faith our daily bread unfolding daily.

He said His corrupted flesh used in the outward sign to the whole world did not profit as salvation (no power from the flesh) But what did profit takes faith (no flesh need) The Spirit of God gives life. It's what gave life to the Son of man earthen body of death . Worked in him just as it does in us. .

Are we God. Because his Spirit works in us? Jesus is a representative as a prophet and apostle as our High Priest but no power comes from corruption. An abomination of desolation.

In the end of the matter it is no different with our brother Jesus, save he was without sin.

bojack · May 11, 2020

garee said:

Sounds like something Muhammad or one of his contributors probably said . Ha, and no I'm not God I am adopted in through faith in Jesus ''Born Again'' in /of the Holy Spirit and I sin, God can not sin , nevertheless I am legal son of God the Father with all the benefits of the only begotten Son to share an inheritance, like Joseph was Jesus legal father by adoption .. kinda sorta ..
Jesus, my Lord and my God .. What-a-man and what-a-God we have ..

VCO · May 12, 2020

DWR said:

I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT! I said those who are NOT Born Again, are yet to be SAVED.

I have all kinds of FRIENDS that I KNOW WHO ARE SAVED that believe in Post-Trib or near it, and some that believe in Mid-Trib, and I ENCOURAGE THEM TO KEEP READY for the Bridegroom at all times. WHY ? ? ? Because HE said to KEEP READY. I PERSONALLY DO NOT SEE ANY ROOM for anything but Pre-Trib, because the other two options I can see People PREDICTING IT.

I believe these VERSES LITERALLY:

Matthew 24:36 (ASV)
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.

Matthew 25:13 (NCV)
13 “So always be ready, because you don’t know the day or the hour the Son of Man will come.

That is an expression strait out of JESWISH WEDDING. ONLY THE FATHER HAD THE RIGHT to inpected the New Dwelling place to determine if it was FINISHED.

Jimbone · May 12, 2020

VCO said:

So it's the "it's so spiritual our minds can't comprehend it" excuse? Really?

Are you suggesting that I am not born again? I'm 'bout to testify, Because I can assure you that Jesus Christ is my Lord, God, and Savior, and not just because "I chose Him", because I did do that. I thought, just as the churches teach, that when I went up front and accepted Jesus into "MY" life, (lol into my life, what a joke) and I even went and got dunked under water in front of everyone for good measure, want declared "SAVED", and told that I could write that date down and bring it out if ever doubted. I wasn't saved, and I did not know Him. I liked the "idea" of Jesus, but I had bills to pay in the real world and you can kind of keep Jesus where He belongs in church on Sunday. If I feel like going.

Life goes along, tra la la la la, and things are looking up, leaving my awesome job on a sunny day, bills all paid in full, bank account still nice, hopping on my motorcycle with my long viking braid halfway down my back, going home to my beautiful wife, my high school sweetheart, mother of my two perfect sons, who was making my favorite dinner. I remember thinking this "look at what "I" built, "I" got this, world bow down" . Basking in my accomplishment. I didn't make it home. Leaving work that day is the last thing I can remember, the next was being in the hospital right at 3 weeks later. BOOM!!! Welcome to life for real.

Long story short I lost all function of my right, and dominant, arm. This led me to a depression and mental downward spiral the led me to a place where I wanted nothing but death. I wanted to die and had a easy, painless way to do it. I have no feeling at all in my right arm, so I could cut my wrist without even tasting the blade. Heck I could literally chop the dang thing off with a hatchet and not feel a thing. Also to add a bit more "feel" of how it was, I couldn't walk down the road without wanting to jump in front of the traffic to die, I would be in therapy talking to a counselor and not be able to make eye contact, while talking about not being able to make eye contact. It was insane and I couldn't stop the suicidal thoughts. The ONLY reason I didn't kill myself, because I could "justify" it in my head every other way, but the only thing that kept me here was I just couldn't leave my 2 boys with "my dad killed himself", and I knew that nobody that stepped up in my place as a father, no other man could love them like I do, like their father. I knew in their lives I would be leaving a void that couldn't be replaced. I know it sounds all "noble" now, and I thank God for it now, but then I was just stuck here.

Anyway after 2 years of wanting nothing but death and being stuck here it all came to a head. Understand at this point if I had ever believed in God, I didn't now. But I hit my knees, on September 29, 2013, and 33 years old, I hit my knees broken. I did not cry out "I'm ready Jesus!", nor did I give Him permission to "come into my life", Oh no, crying out to the universe I cried "I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, world you win and I quit!!!". I didn't even think I was talking to anyone, I had just had enough, I saw "my way" for the futility it was, I saw "my way" in truth and "quit" it. And man was I in for a shock the next day.

I woke up, got ready and went to work as normal, and I remember early in the day telling our receptionist that I was in a great mood and felt like I had an umbilical cord to the Holy Spirit". It was such a weird thing to say out of the blue thinking back to it, but it was lunch time when it hit me and it hit me like a ton of bricks, I realized "I haven't thought about killing myself all day!!!!!!!!!!!" I mean this is something only I can understand, because only I'm in my head, but this was such a radical change (and the tears are pouring just writing this) that I was just in awe and shock. It was right then and there that I KNEW that whatever had happen, whatever this was, it was from God, and what's even more than that I KNEW then and there that Jesus was His Son, and He sent me strait to John, by the time I hit chapter 3 I knew what had happen, I went out to Stacy (the receptionist) and told her "I think I was born again".

So I can go on and testify all day, but was trying to keep it as short as possible, but I am born again brother. So this you posted is an excuse to get around the fact that what I'm saying makes sense and you have no answer really, so it's just "we can't know God"the end.

No, and please understand I am not typing any of this "disrespectfully" or trying to "win", "be right", any of that. I just want to seek truth all my days. It seems you do too, and that's why I value or even take part in these discussions. I believed this same stuff before, because this is what was taught by everyone I knew, but now He has open my eyes, I see that if you do not bring this idea to the text, if you just read any and all "supporting" verses in context, using logic and the foundation that God never changes, and we truly reason it out from the text alone, it's just not there. Without a guru and a timeline chart to mix and match with. Again I'm not trying to be offencive here, but take a step back and put what I'm saying to the test. If you had not been taught this your (however long) and just came to the text fort the first time, read the bible and tell me where you see a gap, pre-trib rapture, the concept of that at all,

Lucy-Pevensie · May 12, 2020

VCO said:

A post trib view doesn't predict the day or hour. I don't see anyone dong that.
The Lord told us to watch for the season. It's Jesus who predicted the spiritual environment of his return. I believe him.

He said to be ready for his return IN THE SEASON of his return.
We won't know the day or the hour. We WILL know the season. And the season is tribulation.

Math 24

32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.

29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

There is the trumpet again! Just as Paul wrote in Thessalonians. Just as Revelation tells us. 3 witnesses.
We are being resurrected/raptured at his second coming to earth. After a period of tribulation.

Recognise the signs and the season.

2 Thess 2
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God.

Daniel 7:21
21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

Rev 12
11 They conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;
for they did not love their lives to the point of death.

THIS is what the church is doing on earth in that season:
Math 24
13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
14 This good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Enduring and spreading the gospel is what Jesus told us to do, not "be ready" for an early evacuation.
He returns to rescue his bride BECAUSE she is being pursued by the enemy. It won't be a catching away the enemy is unaware of.

2 Thess 1

4 therefore, we ourselves speak proudly of you among the churches of God for your perseverance and faith in the midst of all your persecutions and afflictions which you endure.
5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering.
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,
8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

cv5 · May 12, 2020

Lucy-Pevensie said:

A post trib view doesn't predict the day or hour. I don't see anyone dong that.
The Lord told us to watch for the season. It's Jesus who predicted the spiritual environment of his return. I believe him.

He said to be ready for his return IN THE SEASON of his return.
We won't know the day or the hour. We WILL know the season. And the season is tribulation.

Math 24

32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.

29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

There is the trumpet again! Just as Paul wrote in Thessalonians. Just as Revelation tells us. 3 witnesses.
We are being resurrected/raptured at his second coming to earth. After a period of tribulation.

Recognise the signs and the season.

2 Thess 2
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God.

Daniel 7:21
21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

Rev 12
11 They conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;
for they did not love their lives to the point of death.

THIS is what the church is doing on earth in that season:
Math 24
13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
14 This good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Enduring and spreading the gospel is what Jesus told us to do, not "be ready" for an early evacuation.
He returns to rescue his bride BECAUSE she is being pursued by the enemy. It won't be a catching away the enemy is unaware of.

2 Thess 1

4 therefore, we ourselves speak proudly of you among the churches of God for your perseverance and faith in the midst of all your persecutions and afflictions which you endure.
5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering.
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,
8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

Disclosure: I am a pre-TRIB rapture advocate and believer.

Suggestion: Carefully consider the possibility that the audience whom Jesus is addressing (in this warning yet future) are in fact his brothers the Israelites, and not the Church.

IMO The church is being addressed in verses 4 through 14 (the gospel is being preached and then the "end will come"). This would be the fullness of the gentiles coming in (Rom 11:25).

The topic then changes (from preaching to the tribulation), as does the audience, in verses 15 thru 31. Jesus is now warning his brothers the Israelites of the certainty of the tribulation, the specific case of the "man of sin" and the AoD (occurring in the temple in Jerusalem), and a warning to flee.

Also consider Luke 21 and how it proves to be different than Matt 24 and Mark 13.....see below.

VCO · May 12, 2020

Jimbone said:

The SEVENTIETH WEEK OF DANIEL, Happens After the Church-age.

This PROPHECY TOO, HAPPENS AFTER THE CHURCH-AGE, in the middle of that first 7 year Period, followed by HIS Millennial Kingdom:

2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 (NKJV)
2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

That is Satan's Antichrist in verse 4. THAT is why GOD allows this PROPHECY to be fulfilled. TO LITERALLY bring about the END OF MAN'S RULE ON THE EARTH.

Zechariah 14:3-9 (HCSB)
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
. . .
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.

Verses that GOD ANGER will CEASE against ISRAEL:

Deuteronomy 13:17-18 (NJB)
17 From what is thus put under the curse of destruction you must keep nothing back, so that Yahweh may turn from the ferocity of his anger and show you mercy, and have pity on you and increase your numbers, as he swore he would to your ancestors,
18 on condition that you listen to the voice of Yahweh your God by keeping all his commandments which I am enjoining on you today, and by doing what is right in the eyes of Yahweh your God.'''

2 Chronicles 30:8-9 (HCSB)
8 Don’t become obstinate now like your fathers did. Give your allegiance to Yahweh, and come to His sanctuary that He has consecrated forever. Serve the LORD your God so that He may turn His burning anger away from you,
9 for when you return to Yahweh, your brothers and your sons ⌊will receive⌋ mercy in the presence of their captors and will return to this land. For Yahweh your God is gracious and merciful; He will not turn ⌊His⌋ face away from you if you return to Him.”

Psalm 103:9-13 (GWT)
9 He will not always accuse us of wrong or be angry {with us} forever.
10 He has not treated us as we deserve for our sins or paid us back for our wrongs.
11 As high as the heavens are above the earth— that is how vast his mercy is toward those who fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west— that is how far he has removed our rebellious acts from himself.
13 As a father has compassion for his children, so the LORD has compassion for those who fear him.

Isaiah 54:8-17 (HCSB)
8 In a surge of anger I hid My face from you for a moment, but I will have compassion on you with everlasting love,” says the LORD your Redeemer.
9 “For this is like the days of Noah to Me: when I swore that the waters of Noah would never flood the earth again, so I have sworn that I will not be angry with you or rebuke you.
10 Though the mountains move and the hills shake, My love will not be removed from you and My covenant of peace will not be shaken,” says your compassionate LORD.
11 “Poor ⌊Jerusalem⌋, storm-tossed, and not comforted, I will set your stones in black mortar, and lay your foundations in sapphires.
12 I will make your fortifications out of rubies, your gates out of sparkling stones, and all your walls out of precious stones.
13 Then all your children will be taught by the LORD, their prosperity will be great,
14 and you will be established on ⌊a foundation of⌋ righteousness. You will be far from oppression, you will certainly not be afraid; you will be far from terror, it will certainly not come near you.
15 If anyone attacks you, it is not from Me; whoever attacks you will fall before you.
16 Look, I have created the craftsman who blows on the charcoal fire and produces a weapon suitable for its task; and I have created the destroyer to cause havoc.
17 No weapon formed against you will succeed, and you will refute any accusation raised against you in court. This is the heritage of the LORD’s servants, and their righteousness is from Me.” ⌊This is⌋ the LORD’s declaration.

A lot of CHRISTIANS think the WORLD's PRIMARY Worship Center will be a CHURCH in the Millennial Kingdom. NOT!

IT WILL BE IN A TEMPLE, the Fourth TEMPLE.

Zechariah 14:11 (HCSB)
11 People will live there, and never again will there be a curse of complete destruction. So Jerusalem will dwell in security.

Zechariah 14:16-19 (NKJV)
16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain.
18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

THEN THE WHOLE WORLD WILL WORSHIP DURING THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES, AND GUESS WHAT YOU NEED TO PROPERLY CELEBRATE THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES ? ? ? ? A TEMPLE.

Yes it was a custom to go to the TEMPLE three times during the Feast of Tabernacles.

QUOTE:
First of all, we indeed will be holding a Feast of Tabernacles celebration from 2-7 October 2020, as scheduled. The Bible instructs us to “keep the Feast” (Zechariah 14:16; Acts 18:21), and that we will do!

https://feast.icej.org/about END QUOTE.

Yes, there really are Christians that Celebrate, the Feast of Tabernacles.

We in a sense celebrate a shortened version of it, but not in Jerusalem. We call it THANKSGIVING.

Acts 18:20-21 (NKJV)
20 When they asked him to stay a longer time with them, he did not consent,
21 but took leave of them, saying, "I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, God willing." And he sailed from Ephesus.

VCO · May 12, 2020

Lucy-Pevensie said:

I can after the Antichrist marches in and takes over the TEMPE, DEMANDING people worship him or ELSE. It will be 3.5 YEARS to the Day or the very Next DAY, CHRIST WILL BE COMING BACK. Only a PRE-TRIB View allows for NO ONE WILL KNOW THE DAY OR THE HOUR.

cv5 · May 12, 2020

Jimbone said:

How are you going to post SO much scripture, SOOO much, and yes I read it all trying to follow you, and nothing you posted supports the grand ideas you're putting forth here. I don't see it, to be honest I feel every last one of them fits exactly what I'm saying. Not what you're putting forth.

This idea that "God still has plans for the Jews", is so dangerous in my point of view, that it is as anti-Semitic as one can get. Yes God has a plan for the Jew, He brought it to the world through them, His name is Jesus Christ, and the ONLY way they can be saved is through Him. Jesus Christ is King "RIGHT NOW!!!!!" Holla-Boo-Ya, and reigning over everything with ALL authority in heaven, AND, "ON EARTH", until all enemies have been made a footstool for His feet. All this is a problem and ever bit of the problem is from bring an idea TO the text, absolutely every idea you're suggesting is in the text, you only see because you've been taught forever by everyone in mainstream Christianity.

One of the biggest things we MUST understand when going into this text, is that Jesus was not talking to YOU or ME, these words recorded were addressing someone else in that time. We can't act like these words were addressed to us like He was talking directly to us, He wasn't. Please don't get me wrong, His word is for us, and every last one a blessing from Him, but when Jesus was telling them about the AoD, and end of the AGE (NOT the end of the world), He was not speaking to me or you, so when He looks His disciples in their eyes and says "Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened.", you can';t convince me that from this passage, without BRINGING to the text, that anyone could ever think this meant that "a long time from now, in a far far away place these things will take place." You just can't.

Now please don't just try to bury me with proof text and "gotcha" scriptures like this last comment. Can you and I just speak from our own mouths and hearts here, and use our gift of reason to reason this out together?

Also, I didn't catch your answer to the very simple 2 problems I put forth, but lets start with 1, if you want to of course. All that text you posted, and you danced around what I asked without dealing with the reason I had a problem. That reason being God having to command His temple built, after we are told not to ADD anything to His word, and that anyone comes saying "God told me this, or that..." So now are we waiting for Him to command this when He told us already that He spoke to us in these last days through Jesus. And I don't see anywhere that even mentions a 3rd temple, let alone orders us to build one. So are we still waiting for the Father to give direct revelation again?

I understand you DO believe there will be a 3rd temple, got it, and for the first time ever I have heard of a 4th temple, something that you are the first person I've ever heard make any mention of. At all ever.
But do you believe that God must command us to build the temple in order for them to be "God's temple", or do you believe men can stack some bricks up and declare it to be Gods temple? I believe that unless by direct revelation from God a temple is built, even if they could find out where and how to build it in the exact same spot, the same way exactly, then I say it's no more holy that any other stack of bricks. Please in this answer just talk to me, don't post a mile long bunch of "mish mash" scripture with commentaries expecting me to read it all and guess what you meant. Please just tell me if you think that God HAS to be in command of this temple being built?

The future redemption of national Israel may be the most significant theme in all of the Bible and Biblical prophecy. But if you so choose to measure in terms of sheer volume of the text there is no doubt about it.

garee · May 12, 2020

bojack said:

When you said . Sounds like something Muhammad or one of his contributors probably said .

Just exactly what is it that you think was I was trying to say? Did you agree or have another idea?

God is not a man.

garee · May 12, 2020

VCO said:

What temple is being taking over. We are the temple?

VCO · May 12, 2020

Jimbone said:

Here is you answer to the GAP problem, that some say I can never find an Answer, because in their OPINION, no Answer EXISTS.

LOL, oh YES, THERE DOES exist an answer. Probably where they were not expecting it.

Ephesians 3:2-12 (NKJV)
2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,
4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),
5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:
6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,
7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.

The dispensation of the grace,

IN OTHER AGES WAS NOT MADE KNOWN TO THEM.

Which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God,

to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church.

IS THAT NOT THE CHURCH-AGE, THAT PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT.

garee · May 12, 2020

VCO said:

Here is you answer to the GAP problem, that some say I can never find an Answer, because in their OPINION, no Answer EXISTS.

LOL, oh YES, THERE DOES exist an answer. Probably where they were not expecting it.

Ephesians 3:2-12 (NKJV)
2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,
4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),
5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:
6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,
7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.

The dispensation of the grace,

IN OTHER AGES WAS NOT MADE KNOWN TO THEM.

Which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God,

to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church.

IS THAT NOT THE CHURCH-AGE, THAT PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT.

No such thing as church age . Abel is the first recorded martyr is a member of the bride. God sent him as a apostle with prophecy , His brother the atheists fool conformed to the religion of natural mankind .Out of sight out of mind. (who needs faith) Plowed Abel under the corn field. God saw right though the corn. And marked him 666 .Not sealed with salvation 777

Dino246 · May 12, 2020

garee said:

That doesn't make any sense, and neither Scripture nor my posts here demonstrate such.

garee said:

First quote me where I have made such a claim, then and only then will I consider any need to support it.

garee said:

You have dodged and weaved and avoided the question, but you have not answered it.

Dino246 · May 12, 2020

garee said:

Where is that in Scripture?

garee said:

Where is that in Scripture?

VCO · May 13, 2020

Jimbone said:

I THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR TESTIMONY!

OH YES, I TOTALLY BELIEVE YOU. IT IS TOO SIMILAR TO MY TESTIMONY. YES, I TOO THOUGHT SUICIDE WAS THE ANSWER, BUT GOD STOPPED ME.

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Do You Know Why I Adamantly Believe in the Born Again experience, and the Once Saved, Always Saved positions?

Believe me, NEITHER was taught in the Church that I was Raised In. It was an old fashion German style of Lutheran Church. No Body ever even mentioned those two Beliefs to me, while I was growing up.

I remained, not Saved, but thought I was a Christian, because I took up space on a Church Pew once in awhile. Some body should have told me, that if sitting in a garage, did not make me a Car; why would just sitting in a pew, would make me a Christian. I was NOT Saved, until I was almost 29 years old on about December 30, 1977, and I was raised in that Church my whole life prior to that. On December 24, 1977, I was told by my wife of only 6 months, "I want a Divorce, because you cannot earn enough money to buy me what I want in life."

That sent me into a tailspin, into deep depression. During the Following week, I attempted SUICIDE three different times. The first time I made up my mind that I knew I did not care if I hurt my parents, or even my brother or sister. I just did not want to live another DAY. I sat on the bed with a pistol against my head, and with the trigger half pulled. The is when the Lord intervened, HE PUT SUCH A SHEAR TERROR IN MY HEART, because I was NOT SAVED, that I KNEW IF I FINISHED PULLING THE TRIGGER I WAS WALKING INTO HELL, FOR SURE. I shook so hard that I dropped the pistol on the bed. No, I was not afraid of Dying, I just did not want to see another DAY.

Two days after that, I tried a second Time. This time I called my wife, because I wanted her to hear the fatal shot when I did it. And again the Lord intervened, and that SAME OVERWHELMING TERROR over came me. A TERROR WAY BEYOND WHAT A MAN WITH A KNIFE TO THROAT, COULD EVER PUT IN ME JUST BEFORE HE SLIT MY THROAT. I LITERALLY KNEW I WAS IN THE DOORWAY TO HADES/HELL AND WILLINGLY WALK INTO IT. This time as I shook the Pistol fell from my hand and hit the floor. I still do not know what it did not go off.

The Next NIGHT, I tried a third time. I saw them pouring a very thick layer of Gravel on a dirt road near me, that after noon. I went to a bar that night, and got as drunk as I could, and made a full proof plan {God had other plans for my life}, and drove home on my dirt bike, and dropped my helmet off. I then when out to than dirt road with lose gravel on it, KNOWING THE MOST DANGEROUS SURFACE YOU CAN RIDE A BIKE ON WAS LOOSE GRAVEL. I am MORE ashamed of what I did next, because I KNEW IT SAID IN THE BIBLE, "THOU SHALT NOT TEMPT THE LORD YOUR GOD." As I approached that Mile of Lose Gravel, I looked up to the sky and TAUNTED GOD, "If You want me, you can take me any where you want to on this mile!" And I leaned out over the handle bars with NO HELMET, so that way I was sure to hit head first when I lost control.

With the throttle wide open, and leaning over the handle bars for the whole mile, that bike DID NOT EVEN WOBBLE. It was as if I was riding on pavement. That was about 01:30 AM. I backed the throttle off, went home and sat up thinking about what had happened, sobering up, and then as I was about to go to bed at approximately at 05:00 AM, something happened that dropped me to my knees. As I walking into the Bedroom, I REALIZED, that GOD HAD INTERVENED YET AGAIN. I KNEW HE HAD TO HAVE REACHED DOWN AND HELD THAT BIKE STEADY, as if to say, "KNOW YOU DON'T, I HAVE A PLAN FOR YOUR LIFE."

As I fell to my knees, WAVE, AFTER WAVE of guilt over my WHOLE LIFESTYLE washed over me. I was WEEPING and Bawling like a baby, as I CRIED OUT TO HIM, "Forgive Me, Forgive Me! Lord if you have a purpose for my life, you have to come into my life and live it, because I CAN'T LIVE LIKE THAT. I am making a Total Mess of my Life." I continue to weep and asking HIM FOR FORGIVENESS for about another hour. Sometime I found that I was Prostrate face down on the floor.

What happened next, I usually leave out when telling my Testimony, because I fear most would want to make fun of it. But some how, I think this will be important to someone. Either I fell asleep for a little while and had the most VIVID Dream I ever had, or HE gave me a vision. I found myself kneeling at the Foot of the Cross, my Crying uncontrollably, crying, "Forgive Me, Forgive Me!" EVERY SIN I EVER COMMITTED WAS LIKE ANOTHER ONE POUND WEIGHT, pulling all the more on HIS nails. And there were so MANY. As I noticed the NAILS, they were in HIS wrists. NO ONE EVER TOLD ME THAT THE JEWS CONSIDER THE WRISTS TO BE PART OF THE HANDS. I never knew that before. AND then I SAW THE BLOOD DRIP, AND FALL, AND I COULD FEEL THE BLOOD WAS WARM AS IT FELL ON MY OUTSTRETCHED FOREARMS. I knew that meant I was FORGIVEN!

Whether it was a Dream, or Vision, I do not know, that was where it ended. AND KNOW NO ONE HAD EVER TAUGHT ME ABOUT BEING BORN AGAIN, OR ETERNALLY ALIVE IN MY SPIRIT IN THE CHURCH WERE I GREW UP IN, and eventually left. BUT I KNEW HE AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WERE IN ME. I KNEW HE HAD A PLAN FOR MY LIFE, and I TRUSTED HIM TOTALLY. I have seen so many minor miracles in my life, and some Big Ones, there IS NO MORE TURNING BACK, NOT A SINGLE TIME OF DOUBT IN HIM, AND HIS CONTROL OVER MY LIFE HAS BEEN AWESOME. YES I AM ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT THAT HIS SPIRIT BROUGHT MY HUMAN SPIRIT TO BE ETERNALLY ALIVE.

VCO · May 13, 2020

garee said:

The TEMPLE FOR THE JEWS, as all been a building. IT IS Not Talking about our Bodies being the TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
In the Millennial Temple there will also BE A FOURTH TEMPLE TOO For the JEWS.

VCO · May 13, 2020

garee said:

ALL OF US KNOW YOU HAVE SWALLOWED a whole bunch OF FALSE TEACHING, NONE of us wants to here anything more from you.

THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

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