Matthew 27: 19. Who caused Pilate's wife to suffer in a dream and why?

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Christs' judgement before the governor.
Was it a "gut feeling"? Why would God not want Jesus crucified? It had to happen since God ordained it from eternity.
 

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Was it a "gut feeling"? Why would God not want Jesus crucified? It had to happen since God ordained it from eternity.
It was a dream, per what's written, and I don't have any cause to doubt her word.
She doesn't say, don't condemn Jesus. She says, have nothing to do with Him - Matthew puts this in context of Pilate sitting as judge. It is reasonable that she meant then, do not have anything to do with judging Him, whether to condemn Him or release Him. Immediately before this one has the impression Pilate meant to dismiss the charges, knowing that He has been arrested for envy, not for any crime - but then hearing from his wife he puts the decision in the hands of the Jews, washing his own.

Given these things i have no cause to believe her dream was anything but a vision from God, putting the bloodguilt of God on the Jewish people, rather than on Rome, just as scripture had said, "Me, whom THEY have pierced"
 
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It was a dream, per what's written, and I don't have any cause to doubt her word.
She doesn't say, don't condemn Jesus. She says, have nothing to do with Him - Matthew puts this in context of Pilate sitting as judge. It is reasonable that she meant then, do not have anything to do with judging Him, whether to condemn Him or release Him. Immediately before this one has the impression Pilate meant to dismiss the charges, knowing that He has been arrested for envy, not for any crime - but then hearing from his wife he puts the decision in the hands of the Jews, washing his own.

Given these things i have no cause to believe her dream was anything but a vision from God, putting the bloodguilt of God on the Jewish people, rather than on Rome, just as scripture had said, "Me, whom THEY have pierced"
A vision from God to prevent the crucifixion?
 

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A vision from God to prevent the crucifixion?
No. To put the condemnation in the mouth of the Jews instead of Pilate.

he spoke to the crowd and gave them the decision, and they said "His blood be on us and our children" - - I think the warning of the dream was to move Pilate not to be the one who made the judgment. He tried to persuade them not to condemn Jesus, but "could not prevail" and he washed his hands.
 
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No. To put the condemnation in the mouth of the Jews instead of Pilate.

he spoke to the crowd and gave them the decision, and they said "His blood be on us and our children" - - I think the warning of the dream was to move Pilate not to be the one who made the judgment. He tried to persuade them not to condemn Jesus, but "could not prevail" and he washed his hands.
The Jews could not kill Jesus. The Romans stripped them of their authority.
 
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The Jews could not kill Jesus. The Romans stripped them of their authority.
Ye men of Israel...Jesus Christ of Nazareth...Him...ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain (Acts 2:22-23).
 

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The Jews could not kill Jesus. The Romans stripped them of their authority.
Yes. That is why it had to be them, not Pilate, who made the choice, in the way it happened. Politically they could not execute anyone. Prophetically it had to be them who had the bloodguilt. So Pilate washed his hands, his wife warned him not to be Christ's judge, and the people chose to crucify Jesus rather than Barnabas.
 

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A vision from God to prevent the crucifixion?
Not quite. If you consider the scriptures that Christ would be crucified, determined from the foundation of the world, and that Jews AND Gentiles would be responsible, then it would follow that THE DEVIL, (through Pilates' wife) was attempting to negate the scripture of what God determined to be done.
 
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Not quite. If you consider the scriptures that Christ would be crucified, determined from the foundation of the world, and that Jews AND Gentiles would be responsible, then it would follow that THE DEVIL, (through Pilates' wife) was attempting to negate the scripture of what God determined to be done.
Satan would not want Jesus crucified. It was the end of him.
 
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Yes. That is why it had to be them, not Pilate, who made the choice, in the way it happened. Politically they could not execute anyone. Prophetically it had to be them who had the bloodguilt. So Pilate washed his hands, his wife warned him not to be Christ's judge, and the people chose to crucify Jesus rather than Barnabas.
It still worked out bringing his guilt when he could have prevented it.
 

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She doesn't say, don't condemn Jesus. She says, have nothing to do with Him...
The point to note is that Pilate's wife recognized that Jesus was a righteous man. "A just man" means a righteous man. It is noted by some that she was actually a believer.

When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

She was warning Pilate that he should also make a righteous judgment about Christ, otherwise they both would suffer. And Pilate may have paid a heavy price for his weakness.

"The circumstances surrounding Pontius Pilate’s death in circa 39 A.D. are something of a mystery and a source of contention. According to some traditions, the Roman emperor Caligula ordered Pontius Pilate to death by execution or suicide. By other accounts, Pontius Pilate was sent into exile and committed suicide of his own accord."
https://www.biography.com/religious-figure/pontius-pilate
 

tantalon

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Reread the Question! Stop all this nonsense and speculations, and give proper responses, rightly divided, from scripture to what was being asked.
 

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There is a possibility that Pilate may have become a Christian or at least a sypathiser. According to Tertullian a letter was sent by Pilate to Tiberius giving details of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus and was placed in the Roman Archives. He petitioned that Rome recognised him as a God Tiberius wanted to comply with Pilates request but the senate voted against it. Unfortunately the archives were destroyed when the Goths invaded so no hard evidence exists. It would be good to find some proof of this because if Pilate could be saved then theres hope for everyone.
 

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It still worked out bringing his guilt when he could have prevented it.
it was a belief in the early church ((Tertullian & Augustine for example)) and still is in Coptic & Ethiopian tradition that Pilate became a Christian. traditions vilifying him AFAIK don't show up in the church until centuries later. apocryphal letters circulating in the first 500 years of Christianity ((gospel of Peter, acts of Pilate etc.)) decidedly describe him as a convert. Josephus mentions that he was called back to Rome in 36AD, apparently in trouble with emperor Tiberius over how he handled a particular riot, but the emperor died before Pilate arrived. the new emperor, Caligula did not send him back.

is it Rome who the scripture says crucified Him or is it Israel? the gospels write that Pilate found no guilt in Jesus and wanted to release him, and they say that the crowd of Jews said may the bloodguilt be on them and their children.

i've never seen these hollywood-gospels, the movies about the cross. have you? i'm wondering which view of Pilate they take.
 

posthuman

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Reread the Question! Stop all this nonsense and speculations, and give proper responses, rightly divided, from scripture to what was being asked.
if we fail your quiz, do we have to take your class over again?