Sure to Make a Big Splash!

[Wansvic]

John the Baptist had a mission. He was to proclaim the exciting news of the soon coming arrival of the messiah depicted in the OT scriptures. In addition, his mission included the introduction of the baptism of repentance for remission of sin. (Mark 1:1-4, Luke 3:3, Luke 7:27)

Upon hearing John’s message, “… there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.” (Mark 1:5) Jesus Himself complied with the command and was immersed in the waters of baptism even though He was sinless. Jesus had told John to water baptize Him in order to fulfill all righteousness. (Matt 3:15-17) Those who refused to believe baptism was necessary were accused of rejecting the very counsel of God. (Luke 7:30)

If is important to realize that Jesus was present and did not object to His disciples preaching the need for water baptism and administering it to those wishing to be obedient. (John 3:22, John 4:1-2)

As recorded at the end of each gospel, (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) Jesus makes reference to water baptism:

• Matthew - Jesus says to baptize in a singular name.
• Mark - Jesus says in order to be saved one must believe and be baptized.
• Luke - Jesus tells His disciples that repentance and remission of sin (a reference to water baptism as established by John the Baptist) would be preached in His name and it will begin in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)
• John – Jesus tells Peter to feed His lambs, and feed His sheep. His reference to feeding sheep is made twice. Peter did exactly that. He initially presented the salvation plan to the Jewish (sheep) and Gentile (lambs) nations, and assisted in the Samaritans (half Jew-half Gentile) conversion. (sheep)

After Jesus ascended into Heaven, the Holy Ghost was poured out upon 120 people in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost. And, just as Jesus previously stated in Luke 24:47, the Apostle Peter gave specific instructions pertaining to water baptism. Those wishing to submit to water baptism would be required to do so in the name of the Lord Jesus. The water baptism initially introduced by John the Baptist was still necessary; however, it was modified to include the use of the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE PRIOR TO THE INFILLING OF THE HOLY GHOST NO ONE HAD BEEN WATER BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.

There is a misconception that the Jewish and Gentile experiences differed in that God filled the Gentiles with His Spirit prior to them being water baptized. (Acts 10:44-48) The truth is both the Jewish and Gentile people received the Holy Ghost prior to taking on the name of the Lord Jesus in their water baptism.

Lastly, it should be noted that the sequence of one’s compliance to the NT instructions is not what matters. All that matters is obedience to the entire message. This is seen in the conversion experience of the Samaritans. (Acts 8:12-17) And, Paul’s exchange with the Ephesus disciples. (Acts 19:2-6)

 

[Dave-L]

John the Baptist had a mission. He was to proclaim the exciting news of the soon coming arrival of the messiah depicted in the OT scriptures. In addition, his mission included the introduction of the baptism of repentance for remission of sin. (Mark 1:1-4, Luke 3:3, Luke 7:27)

Upon hearing John’s message, “… there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.” (Mark 1:5) Jesus Himself complied with the command and was immersed in the waters of baptism even though He was sinless. Jesus had told John to water baptize Him in order to fulfill all righteousness. (Matt 3:15-17) Those who refused to believe baptism was necessary were accused of rejecting the very counsel of God. (Luke 7:30)

If is important to realize that Jesus was present and did not object to His disciples preaching the need for water baptism and administering it to those wishing to be obedient. (John 3:22, John 4:1-2)

As recorded at the end of each gospel, (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) Jesus makes reference to water baptism:

• Matthew - Jesus says to baptize in a singular name.
• Mark - Jesus says in order to be saved one must believe and be baptized.
• Luke - Jesus tells His disciples that repentance and remission of sin (a reference to water baptism as established by John the Baptist) would be preached in His name and it will begin in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)
• John – Jesus tells Peter to feed His lambs, and feed His sheep. His reference to feeding sheep is made twice. Peter did exactly that. He initially presented the salvation plan to the Jewish (sheep) and Gentile (lambs) nations, and assisted in the Samaritans (half Jew-half Gentile) conversion. (sheep)

After Jesus ascended into Heaven, the Holy Ghost was poured out upon 120 people in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost. And, just as Jesus previously stated in Luke 24:47, the Apostle Peter gave specific instructions pertaining to water baptism. Those wishing to submit to water baptism would be required to do so in the name of the Lord Jesus. The water baptism initially introduced by John the Baptist was still necessary; however, it was modified to include the use of the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE PRIOR TO THE INFILLING OF THE HOLY GHOST NO ONE HAD BEEN WATER BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.

There is a misconception that the Jewish and Gentile experiences differed in that God filled the Gentiles with His Spirit prior to them being water baptized. (Acts 10:44-48) The truth is both the Jewish and Gentile people received the Holy Ghost prior to taking on the name of the Lord Jesus in their water baptism.

Lastly, it should be noted that the sequence of one’s compliance to the NT instructions is not what matters. All that matters is obedience to the entire message. This is seen in the conversion experience of the Samaritans. (Acts 8:12-17) And, Paul’s exchange with the Ephesus disciples. (Acts 19:2-6)

Jesus telling them to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is baptizing in the Name of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ = the triune YHWH. We don't know if they did this before Pentecost, but it is obvious that it is the way they understood the command.

 

[Wansvic]

Jesus telling them to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is baptizing in the Name of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ = the triune YHWH. We don't know if they did this before Pentecost, but it is obvious that it is the way they understood the command.

I can only conclude you did not read the entire thread. Jesus Himself stated that water baptism in His name would begin to be preached in Jerusalem. He stated this just prior to His ascension.

This is relevant because only after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection could one understand what it meant to be buried with Him by baptism into His death. Jesus was the one crucified and as Paul reminded the Corinthians it was in His name that they were baptized.

"Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name." 1 Cor 1:13-15

Also recorded, after Samaritans believed Philip regarding the kingdom, and name of Jesus they were baptized:

"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." Acts 8:12

"(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)" Acts 8:16

 

[Dave-L]

I can only conclude you did not read the entire thread. Jesus Himself stated that water baptism in His name would begin to be preached in Jerusalem. He stated this just prior to His ascension.

This is relevant because only after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection could one understand what it meant to be buried with Him by baptism into His death. Jesus was the one crucified and as Paul reminded the Corinthians it was in His name that they were baptized.

"Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name." 1 Cor 1:13-15

Also recorded, after Samaritans believed Philip regarding the kingdom, and name of Jesus they were baptized:

"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." Acts 8:12

"(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)" Acts 8:16

But you have no evidence they waited until Pentecost to Baptise in Jesus' name.

 

[Wansvic]

But you have no evidence they waited until Pentecost to Baptise in Jesus' name.

One can assume many things but can only be assured of a concept through facts presented IN THE WORD itself.

This principle is found in 2 Timothy:
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim 3:16-17

Every person will be judged solely by what is actually IN the Word. (John 12:48) Jesus said that repentance and remission of sin should be preached in His name beginning in Jerusalem. There is no record of anyone being water baptized in Jesus' name prior to Pentecost. At that time, Peter said, Repent, and be baptized EVERYONE of you in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin. It can not be any clearer than that.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jesus telling them to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is baptizing in the Name of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ = the triune YHWH. We don't know if they did this before Pentecost, but it is obvious that it is the way they understood the command.

Agreed. But you are addressing someone who believes that water baptism is NECESSARY for salvation. A false teacher. And to compound his error he insists that baptism is not in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, but in the name of Jesus only.

However, while Acts does not always spell out what Christ said in Matthew 28:19. we know from early Christian writings (as well ad from the practice of Christian churches through the ages), that baptism is always according to Matthew 28:19, those being the AUTHORITATIVE words of Christ.

As to salvation through water baptism, the Gospel is crystal clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption. PLUS NOTHING.

 

[Dave-L]

Agreed. But you are addressing someone who believes that water baptism is NECESSARY for salvation. A false teacher. And to compound his error he insists that baptism is not in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, but in the name of Jesus only.

However, while Acts does not always spell out what Christ said in Matthew 28:19. we know from early Christian writings (as well ad from the practice of Christian churches through the ages), that baptism is always according to Matthew 28:19, those being the AUTHORITATIVE words of Christ.

As to salvation through water baptism, the Gospel is crystal clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption. PLUS NOTHING.

The early Church baptized believers by immersion in water in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the name of the triune Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as defines in the Ecumenical Creeds.

 

[Dave-L]

One can assume many things but can only be assured of a concept through facts presented IN THE WORD itself.

This principle is found in 2 Timothy:
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim 3:16-17

Every person will be judged solely by what is actually IN the Word. (John 12:48) Jesus said that repentance and remission of sin should be preached in His name beginning in Jerusalem. There is no record of anyone being water baptized in Jesus' name prior to Pentecost. At that time, Peter said, Repent, and be baptized EVERYONE of you in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin. It can not be any clearer than that.

You cannot prove they didn't so it's not wise to claim they did.

 

[p_rehbein]

So, IF we are baptized EXACTLY as Jesus instructed (recorded in the Gospel of Matthew), we ARE NOT saved? Is this what the OP is saying?

Matthew, Chapter 28

18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[p_rehbein]

IF the Author is searching for a "mystery" in Scripture, then let him turn his attention to the verse above that states:

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

It CLEARLY says.............. in the NAME of the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost.............

Is being baptized OF the same as being baptized in the NAME of? rusure?

 

[mailmandan]

So, IF we are baptized EXACTLY as Jesus instructed (recorded in the Gospel of Matthew), we ARE NOT saved? Is this what the OP is saying?

Matthew, Chapter 28

18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus clearly meant what He said in Matthew 28:19 - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." The phrase, "in the name of Jesus," is not a reference to a baptismal formula but a reference to authority. It's similar to hearing someone say, "stop in the name of the Law!" We understand that the "name of the Law" means by the authority of the Law. It's the same with baptism "in Jesus' name." To baptize in Jesus' name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus. Reciting the specific words, "in Jesus name" during baptism is not a magical formula for salvation and believers who were baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit are not still lost in their sins because the specific words, "in Jesus name" were not recited during their baptism as Oneness Pentecostals erroneously teach.

The proper way to baptize "in Jesus' name" (by His authority) is to say, "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." Oneness Pentecostals reject the Trinitarian formula for baptism because they reject the Trinity. Oneness Pentecostals are in serious doctrinal error by demanding that baptism absolutely MUST be done using the specific formula "in Jesus name" - OR ELSE YOU WON'T BE SAVED. Jesus Christ Himself COMMANDED: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." (Matthew 28:19) and that's good enough for me. That is certainly baptizing in His authority.

The enemy wants people to trust in anything else EXCEPT IN CHRIST ALONE for salvation. If the enemy can keep you trusting in baptism formulas, baptism itself, speaking in tongues, works in general etc.. INSTEAD OF TRUSTING IN CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION then his mission is accomplished. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

 

[mailmandan]

As to salvation through water baptism, the Gospel is crystal clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption. PLUS NOTHING.

Amen! Either we are trusting in 100% in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation or else we are 100% lost. Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6)

 

[notuptome]

If you depend on water baptism to save you then you will make a big splash. A big splash in the lake of fire.

Salvation is by grace and nothing else. Faith is how we receive the gift of salvation. Faith in believing the promises of God. It is not of ourselves or we would boast but by the determinate will of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Grandpa]

Let's say someone gets baptized in the exact correct way but then afterwards they come upon some NT instructions that they cannot obey. No matter how hard they try they can't do it.

Do they just not worry about it because they were baptized in the exact correct way and as such they have received all the blessings of God?

Or do they need to be baptized again, maybe they didn't receive everything they needed the first time?

 

[p_rehbein]

Jesus clearly meant what He said in Matthew 28:19 - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

Dan, I wanted the Author to solve the "mystery" as they appear to be seeking a "mystery" to investigate.............. but, thanks anyhoo

 

[Wansvic]

Agreed. But you are addressing someone who believes that water baptism is NECESSARY for salvation. A false teacher. And to compound his error he insists that baptism is not in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, but in the name of Jesus only.

However, while Acts does not always spell out what Christ said in Matthew 28:19. we know from early Christian writings (as well ad from the practice of Christian churches through the ages), that baptism is always according to Matthew 28:19, those being the AUTHORITATIVE words of Christ.

As to salvation through water baptism, the Gospel is crystal clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption. PLUS NOTHING.

Everyone must make their own choice.

Jesus said all will be judged exclusively by the Word, not by those things practiced by churches throughout the ages.

Many are unaware that forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church introduced the concept of using the phrase rather than the singular name of Jesus in water baptism. Their rejection of the use of the name of the Lord Jesus, and insistence that others comply began to permeate religious communities. Unbeknownst to many members of other church denominations, the RCC considers all churches that comply with their modification as "daughters" of the Mother church. They hold their form of baptism as valid even though it does not comply with the apostles instructions as seen in every single example supplied in the Word. This is true. Please take the time and look it up for yourself.

When considering what to depend upon in evaluating biblical concepts the bible is clear:
"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3

 

[Wansvic]

You cannot prove they didn't so it's not wise to claim they did.

The Word speaks to the truth.

 

[Wansvic]

So, IF we are baptized EXACTLY as Jesus instructed (recorded in the Gospel of Matthew), we ARE NOT saved? Is this what the OP is saying?

Matthew, Chapter 28

18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus said to baptize in a name. (Matt. 28:19) The apostles actions on and after the Day of Pentecost speaks to their understanding of exactly what Jesus meant. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-17, 10:44-48, 19:2-6, 22:16) There is not one record of anyone being baptized into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Interesting.

 

[Wansvic]

IF the Author is searching for a "mystery" in Scripture, then let him turn his attention to the verse above that states:

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

It CLEARLY says.............. in the NAME of the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost.............

Is being baptized OF the same as being baptized in the NAME of? rusure?

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12

Water Baptism is a deed done in obedience to God's command:

"And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him." Col 3:17

 

[Wansvic]

If you depend on water baptism to save you then you will make a big splash. A big splash in the lake of fire.

Salvation is by grace and nothing else. Faith is how we receive the gift of salvation. Faith in believing the promises of God. It is not of ourselves or we would boast but by the determinate will of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The concepts from scripture that pertain to water baptism is what is presented in this thread. Our job as Christians is to share the Word. Each of us is responsible for making our own choice whether to accept or reject it.