Catholicism vs Protestantism

[Dan_473]

So you agree Holy Spirit talk to individual don't you

Of course! but in matters that affect the entire church? Matters of teaching? Matters like who will be an apostle?

Acts 1: 24 They prayed, and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place." 26 They drew lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Again, a decision is made as a group. And the holy Spirit affects the outcome of the lots!

It mean apostles agree that Holy Spirit teach Paul as individual, if not why they commission Paul who learn form Holy Spirit as individual?

Yes, Paul gets teaching by personal revelation.
But then, he goes and gets it checked out with those who were apostles before him.
At least that's what Catholics I've heard say.

1 Corinthians 14: 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

I take that to probably mean the personal revelation is subject to judgment by the group!


32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

It's very easy for us to take our own desires and convince ourselves it is something that the spirit has taught us.

 

[Dan_473]

Buy one.

Well, before the printing press, which was invented in the 1400s, I believe, Bibles were really expensive.

In today's money, I think it would be about 50,000 USD!

 

[Jackson123]

Well if we look at the next verse
Romans 10: 3 For being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they didn't subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

Does it sound to you like the God mentioned in this verse is the true God or a false god?

I am not interprate each word as individual word. But I am interprate the whole sentence

Seekin estables their own righteousness not subject them selve to God (this word mean true God)

How a person not subject themselves to God and worship god in the same time.

Worship God mean high respect to God, or subject himself to God.

 

[Jackson123]

Also, is Paul saying that they are taught by the God for which they have a zeal? It sounds to me like Paula saying that they have a zeal for God, the true God, but they are ignorant of him!

I don't believe there is a person worship god but reject god (Jesus is God)

 

[Jackson123]

Well, before the printing press, which was invented in the 1400s, I believe, Bibles were really expensive.

In today's money, I think it would be about 50,000 USD!

Than go to library and make a copy

 

[Jackson123]

Yes, God wants people to worship him in spirit and in truth!

But there are other verses in the Bible that talk about worshiping God in ignorance, aren't there? Not that those versus say that it's a good thing, or that it is something to be sought after, but it does talk about it, doesn't it?

Are you saying bible contradict bible?

 

[Jackson123]

Acts 1: 24 They prayed, and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place." 26 They drew lots for them, and the lot fell on Ma

It's up to Holy Spirit. If a group trust worthy He talk to agroup if the group is a liar then He talk to individual, if I remember correctly you wasn't agree Holy Spirit talk to individual don't you but now little bit change. Good keep reading bible and seeking the truth don't believe in lying doctrine

Lying doctrine teach you not to interprate bible, than why read it?

They may lie to you and say Holy Spirit only talk to RCC.

Holy Spirit not talk to RCC if so they not issued ccc 816, CCC 841 etc

 

[Dan_473]

I am not interprate each word as individual word. But I am interprate the whole sentence

Seekin estables their own righteousness not subject them selve to God (this word mean true God)

How a person not subject themselves to God and worship god in the same time.

Worship God mean high respect to God, or subject himself to God.

Well, since this passage talks about the Jews having a zeal for God, let's talk about that.

So do you agree that in this verse both instances of God refer to the true God?
Romans 10: 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

 

[Dan_473]

I don't believe there is a person worship god but reject god (Jesus is God)

Thanks for the answer, but that's not what I asked.

Here is the question again, if you wish to answer:
is Paul saying that they are taught by the God for which they have a zeal?

 

[Dan_473]

Than go to library and make a copy

Well, during most of the middle ages, public libraries like we think of did not exist in the Christian world, as I understand the situation.

 

[Dan_473]

Are you saying bible contradict bible?

Not at all! So if we think one passage contradicts another, then it's a good idea to reconsider our interpretations, imo!

 

[Dan_473]

It's up to Holy Spirit. If a group trust worthy He talk to agroup if the group is a liar then He talk to individual, if I remember correctly you wasn't agree Holy Spirit talk to individual don't you but now little bit change.

No, that's not true.
I don't express the entirety of all my opinions in each post!

Good keep reading bible and seeking the truth don't believe in lying doctrine

Lying doctrine teach you not to interprate bible, than why read it?

I think the Catholics encourage people to read the Bible. They just go on to say that if you think you found a new truth that no one had seen before, remember that you are part of a body, and the entire body works together!

They may lie to you and say Holy Spirit only talk to RCC.

Do you believe the holy Spirit talks to many different groups, and tells them different things?

Holy Spirit not talk to RCC if so they not issued ccc 816, CCC 841 etc

If you start with the assumption that your personal interpretation is the correct one, then that's true.

But Catholics start with the assumption that the Catholic church has the correct interpretation.

 

[Jackson123]

Well, since this passage talks about the Jews having a zeal for God, let's talk about that.

So do you agree that in this verse both instances of God refer to the true God?
Romans 10: 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Not true God but their own establish god

 

[Jackson123]

Well, during most of the middle ages, public libraries like we think of did not exist in the Christian world, as I understand the situation.

Than go to other Christian that have bible and make a copy

 

[Jackson123]

Not at all! So if we think one passage contradicts another, then it's a good idea to reconsider our interpretations, imo!

I am not. The Bible consistent to say Jesus is God. Whosoever say not it against the true God

 

[Jackson123]

I think the Catholics encourage people to read the Bible. They just go on to say that if you think you found a new truth that no one had seen before, remember that you are part of a body, and the entire body works together!

What part of ccc talk about that?

Do you believe the holy Spirit talks to many different groups, and tells them different things?

no

If you start with the assumption that your personal interpretation is the correct one, then that's true
But catholic start with assumption that the Catholic Church has the correct interpretation
.

So be it, but I don't believe her interpretation
I believe no salvation apart from Jesus
There is salvation apart of RCC

I believe no body worship true God and reject Jesus in the same time

 

[Jackson123]

I don't express the entirety of all my opinions in each post!

So you do believe Holy Spirit speak to individual

 

[Dan_473]

Not true God but their own establish god

Are you honestly saying this?

Romans 10: 3 For being ignorant of a false God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they didn't subject themselves to the righteousness of a false God.

 

[Dan_473]

Than go to other Christian that have bible and make a copy

Other Christians didn't have $50,000 copies of the Bible in their houses, as I understand it.

Paper was expensive. Someone would have to pay your living expenses for the year or so that it would take you to copy it by hand. This assumes that you were able to read and write, which most people back then couldn't, I've heard. Most people spend all day long working in their farms to stay alive.

Also, copies of the Bible in Western Europe were in Latin, I believe.

 

[Dan_473]

I am not. The Bible consistent to say Jesus is God. Whosoever say not it against the true God

Or they are ignorant of the true God, is another possibility, imo.