creationist debate?

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If God created things in Generations, He would not have started Earth as a blob. It would have been created when He put it into place.
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He did

When you create something out of clay, You put the clay down, Then you start to carve and form it to get what you wish to create

Gen 1: 1 is the origional state of creation, Before God started to carve it out and make it as he desired

Gen 3 is where he starts to carve creation, and form it as he desired to form it.. And for the purpose for which is was created.

Mankind is the center of this purpose. everything resolved around this,,
 
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If God created things in Generations, He would not have started Earth as a blob. It would have been created when He put it into place.
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You are telling me that Adam being a man, not a child, trees, grass, were not seeds but full grown, that EVERYTHING God created was in a COMPLETE fashion all except 1 thing Earth. I do not buy that for a second!
 
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Even the concept of clay and spit God went directly to full grown man, not a boy
 
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If Heaven is a Planet, in concept. And things are made by the concepts of Heaven. It would be impossible God created Earth first as a blob. I believe He set it into place as complete in Genesis 1:1.
 
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If Heaven is a Planet, in concept. And things are made by the concepts of Heaven. It would be impossible God created Earth first as a blob. I believe He set it into place as complete in Genesis 1:1.
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Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Genesis 1:2
 
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Exactly, but my point is the Earth did not perish in Noah's Flood.
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So what does Peter mean that the present earth is being reserved for fire?
Won´t all living things, including plants and animals perish by fire?
 
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Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Genesis 1:2
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Why would the Earth be covered in water if there is no atmosphere, clouds, etc?
Sounds like a Flood took place.
 
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If Heaven is a Planet, in concept. And things are made by the concepts of Heaven. It would be impossible God created Earth first as a blob. I believe He set it into place as complete in Genesis 1:1.
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HE didn´t...it initially was a formless, soupy mass and HE took that soupy mass, and created and formed the earth out of it
 
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Why would the Earth be covered in water if there is no atmosphere, clouds, etc?
Sounds like a Flood took place.
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9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
 
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Why would the Earth be covered in water if there is no atmosphere, clouds, etc?
Sounds like a Flood took place.
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Because WATER was from the beginning...and there was no need, until GOD created, to separate the waters above from the waters below


Read revelation,...there will NO LONGER be a firmament, when all has been completed....
 
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God created a mist before then. That is how everything survived. And naturally, the Light He made, the Sun, is the key ingredient to life on Earth.
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Or God created the waters above the earth, And this made it like a greenhouse..
 
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So what does Peter mean that the present earth is being reserved for fire?
Won´t all living things, including plants and animals perish by fire?
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We know a New Earth will replace this one and it will include New Jerusalem. So this present Earth will completely vanish.
 
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Because WATER was from the beginning...and there was no need, until GOD created, to separate the waters above from the waters below


Read revelation,...there will NO LONGER be a firmament, when all has been completed....
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Why was water on the Earth to begin with?
If it is a NEW CREATION, there should not even be water!
The center of Earth is molten lava. That produces rock, not water.
 
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You're not even reading what I posted. Now I know why we are not discussing the same thing. Reread what I said. There NEVER was a Neanderthal, to believe in one is to believe in Evolution!
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Do you speak out of two sides of your mouth?

You said that the Neanderthal evolved into the ape...why would you even answer that way, if you are NOW saying that there never was a Neanderthal>?
 
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Why was water on the Earth to begin with?
If it is a NEW CREATION, there should not even be water!
The center of Earth is molten lava. That produces rock, not water.
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Oh yes there should be...but not a water that you would have distinguished as living and necessary water...more like soupy cosmos...dark, void, and formless...nothingness...

And GOD began HIS work, by causing a firmament to separate the waters above from the waters below....then HE gathered the waters so dry land appeared.

Otherwise, nothing could have lived...
But, HE didn´t forget the seas which were also gathered in areas...otherwise all of earth would have been dry land...this had to be prepared first for all living things
 
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You are telling me that Adam being a man, not a child, trees, grass, were not seeds but full grown, that EVERYTHING God created was in a COMPLETE fashion all except 1 thing Earth. I do not buy that for a second!
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I am telling you when God said on each day let their be watever it was he created, they came full functional. Adam was grown, the starts shown on the earth the day of creation. The trees appeared and grew immediately Life of animals. fish and birds appeared fully grown

If you think God needed billions of years for this to occure before he could put man n the earth. Then I do not buy that for a second.
 
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Do you speak out of two sides of your mouth?

You said that the Neanderthal evolved into the ape...why would you even answer that way, if you are NOW saying that there never was a Neanderthal>?
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Look how my post begins:

If you believe in the Neanderthal, then you believe in Evolution, because a Neanderthal is an evolved state from the ape.
 
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If Heaven is a Planet, in concept. And things are made by the concepts of Heaven. It would be impossible God created Earth first as a blob. I believe He set it into place as complete in Genesis 1:1.
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smh

You seem to be trying to discredit us, instead of just sitting and listen to what we are saying

If you read the accounts, All things were created out of somethign that was already there The origional state of the earth was created out of nothing

If we look at it as a period of time, There was nothing one second, and the second second, here were this creation. which was yet to be formed. Including all the planets, the stars and the whole universe
 
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Why would the Earth be covered in water if there is no atmosphere, clouds, etc?
Sounds like a Flood took place.
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Or maybe in its original state that is how it was. The land and all in it was yet to be formed..
 
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