Closing the Gap in Dispensationalism

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Nor have you answered questions you said you would answer.

If I had an interest in your posts, I would take time with them.

your non-answer is your effort to clothe yourself with the fig leaf of your erroneous dogma so that you are not found naked.

[hint: you still have no clothes ...]



Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

 

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Because God sent them.

1 Kings 22:

19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Here's what you want us to believe:

vs 20 - God wants to persuade Ahab that he should go to Ramothgilead so that Ahab would fall.

vs 23 - God put a lying spirit in the mouth of all Ahab's prophets.


Is that what you want us to believe, Dave-L?

please answer this question because I really do want to understand what it is you want us to believe concerning this passage. Thanks.

 

[Dave-L]

1 Kings 22:

19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Here's what you want us to believe:

vs 20 - God wants to persuade Ahab that he should go to Ramothgilead so that Ahab would fall.

vs 23 - God put a lying spirit in the mouth of all Ahab's prophets.


Is that what you want us to believe, Dave-L?

please answer this question because I really do want to understand what it is you want us to believe concerning this passage. Thanks.

“But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.” Deuteronomy 2:30 (KJV 1900)

 

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“But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.” Deuteronomy 2:30 (KJV 1900)

Again you refuse to answer the question (which is par for the course) ...


1 Kings 22:

19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Here's what you want us to believe:

vs 20 - God wants to persuade Ahab that he should go to Ramothgilead so that Ahab would fall.

vs 23 - God put a lying spirit in the mouth of all Ahab's prophets.


Is that what you want us to believe, Dave-L?

please answer this question because I really do want to understand what it is you want us to believe concerning this passage. Thanks.

 

[Dave-L]

your non-answer is your effort to clothe yourself with the fig leaf of your erroneous dogma so that you are not found naked.

[hint: you still have no clothes ...]



Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

You need to prove my position is incorrect. I agree with historic Christianity at every point I mention. And they condemn as heretics those who do not agree with these same points.

 

[Dave-L]

Again you refuse to answer the question (which is par for the course) ...


1 Kings 22:

19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Here's what you want us to believe:

vs 20 - God wants to persuade Ahab that he should go to Ramothgilead so that Ahab would fall.

vs 23 - God put a lying spirit in the mouth of all Ahab's prophets.


Is that what you want us to believe, Dave-L?

please answer this question because I really do want to understand what it is you want us to believe concerning this passage. Thanks.

You can mold any god you like from scripture. But you cannot have anything but an idol and an insult to the creator when you do. How doy you know you are not one of the tares?

 

[Dave-L]

I wouldn't get too hung up on the LXX that we possess today. Though I agree that it is clearly more accurate than the Masoreic, there is yet an error in exodus 12:40. My point is that there were probaby several or many LXX available to Paul and the apostles. All we have left today is the Alexandrian LXX (Which was found fairly recently actually).

FYI The Alexandrian LXX adds about 1700 years to the time span of the genesis patriarchs!
Which is certainly correct. The reason for the errors in the Masoretic are well known.

Jesus and the church used the LXX. And it's not good enough for you?

 

[cv5]

Jesus and the church used the LXX. And it's not good enough for you?

What I said was that the Alexandrian LXX we know today is the one and only LXX Manuscript in the world. There is an error at Exodus 12:40 ("and in Canaan"). The early Church probably had a error-free manuscript and they knew it. Other than that the Alexandrian LXX is definitely the go to Old Testament. Happy now?

 

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You need to prove my position is incorrect.

Au contraire ... because you refuse to answer the questions posited, you "prove [your] position is incorrect" all on your own. I don't have to do anything.


Oh and more obfuscation on your part ... you truly have no clothes [heh]

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You can mold any god you like from scripture. But you cannot have anything but an idol and an insult to the creator when you do.

You should apply your medicine to yourself.

How doy you know you are not one of the tares?

How to you know you are not one of the tares?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

@Dave-L ...


1 Kings 22:

19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Here's what you want us to believe:

vs 20 - God wants to persuade Ahab that he should go to Ramothgilead so that Ahab would fall.

vs 23 - God put a lying spirit in the mouth of all Ahab's prophets.



Have I stated your understanding of this passage correctly, Dave-L???

That question requires a simple yes / no answer.

If the answer is yes, then I can respond.

If the answer is no, then please state your understanding so that I may respond. Thank you.

 

[Dave-L]

@Dave-L ...


1 Kings 22:

19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Here's what you want us to believe:

vs 20 - God wants to persuade Ahab that he should go to Ramothgilead so that Ahab would fall.

vs 23 - God put a lying spirit in the mouth of all Ahab's prophets.



Have I stated your understanding of this passage correctly, Dave-L???

That question requires a simple yes / no answer.

If the answer is yes, then I can respond.

If the answer is no, then please state your understanding so that I may respond. Thank you.

What about cannibalism. Did God cause the Jews to sin causing them to eat their children many times in the OT?
Cannibalism, Here’s a sample of God’s judgment that abortion fits well with.

“And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.” Jeremiah 19:9 (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave-L]

You should apply your medicine to yourself.





How to you know you are not one of the tares?

How you answer questions about salvation tells me what I'm dealing with. If you dodge those questions, it says a lot.

 

[Dave-L]

Au contraire ... because you refuse to answer the questions posited, you "prove [your] position is incorrect" all on your own. I don't have to do anything.


Oh and more obfuscation on your part ... you truly have no clothes [heh]

You haven't done anything to convince me.

 

[Dave-L]

What I said was that the Alexandrian LXX we know today is the one and only LXX Manuscript in the world. There is an error at Exodus 12:40 ("and in Canaan"). The early Church probably had a error-free manuscript and they knew it. Other than that the Alexandrian LXX is definitely the go to Old Testament. Happy now?

So let's toss our bibles?

 

[cv5]

So let's toss our bibles?

Are you some kind of a troublemaker? You're joking right?

 

[Dave-L]

Are you some kind of a troublemaker? You're joking right?

Is faulty bible translation something you heard about? Or are you a degreed ancient Greek language scholar?

 

[Diakonos]

What about cannibalism. Did God cause the Jews to sin causing them to eat their children many times in the OT?
Cannibalism, Here’s a sample of God’s judgment that abortion fits well with.

“And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.” Jeremiah 19:9 (KJV 1900)

You need to check meanings of words before you use verses to support what you're aying.
"cause to eat" is a horrible translation. It says "I will feed them".
In other places this word is even translated "had freely eaten" as in 1 Sam 14:30.

 

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What about cannibalism. Did God cause the Jews to sin causing them to eat their children many times in the OT?

more obfuscation ... and, again, par for the course

Did I accurately state your understanding of 1 Kings 22:19-23?

Yes or no?

Thanks.

1 Kings 22:

19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Here's what you want us to believe:

vs 20 - God wants to persuade Ahab that he should go to Ramothgilead so that Ahab would fall.

vs 23 - God put a lying spirit in the mouth of all Ahab's prophets.


Have I stated your understanding of this passage correctly, Dave-L???

That question requires a simple yes / no answer.

If the answer is yes, then I can respond.

If the answer is no, then please state your understanding so that I may respond. Thank you.

 

[Dave-L]

more obfuscation ... and, again, par for the course

Did I accurately state your understanding of 1 Kings 22:19-23?

Yes or no?

Thanks.

1 Kings 22:

19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Here's what you want us to believe:

vs 20 - God wants to persuade Ahab that he should go to Ramothgilead so that Ahab would fall.

vs 23 - God put a lying spirit in the mouth of all Ahab's prophets.


Have I stated your understanding of this passage correctly, Dave-L???

That question requires a simple yes / no answer.

If the answer is yes, then I can respond.

If the answer is no, then please state your understanding so that I may respond. Thank you.

It says God caused them to kill and eat their children. Many times in the OT.