Catholicism vs Protestantism

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Jackson123

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That's actually a great example!
False information on the passport may prevent you from entering. That would correspond to believing false things may prevent you from entering the kingdom.

But putting false information on a passport doesn't change who you are. Just as false information in the Koran doesn't change who God is.
And may you use some body passport

Lucifer may appear as an angel of light, but not change who lucifer is
 

Dan_473

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Because Christian worship true god
Well, not just because Christians worship the true God, but because Christians by definition believe in Jesus.
Like this
Acts 2: 38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all who are far off, even as many as the Lord our God will call to himself."
 

Dan_473

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Not assuming. Who teach Jesus not God? This teaching come from lucifer
Sure, in the sense that Satan is the father of lies.
But not everything that Muslims know about God comes from Satan or the Quran.

Acts 14: 17 Yet he didn't leave himself without witness, in that he did good and gave you rains from the sky and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
 

Jackson123

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Well, not just because Christians worship the true God, but because Christians by definition believe in Jesus.
Like this
Acts 2: 38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all who are far off, even as many as the Lord our God will call to himself."
You don't believe Christian worship true god?
 

Jackson123

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Sure, in the sense that Satan is the father of lies.
But not everything that Muslims know about God comes from Satan or the Quran.

Acts 14: 17 Yet he didn't leave himself without witness, in that he did good and gave you rains from the sky and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Ask Muslim, they know god from Quran or rain.
Rain and sky may tell there is creator, but Quran them who is creator

It say creator is Allah, that teach them jesus not god
 
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I see. As an example, then, what would that look like for someone who lived in the Americas about a thousand years ago?

It is always interesting how we want to limit God to missionaries but don't think He can use a burning bush or a talking donkey to teach people :)
 
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No, I believe that the holy Spirit teaches Christians.
Holy Spirit teaches us but He will never ever contradict God’s written word…. and there is a false spirit also teaching so you need knowledge to not be deceived.
 

Dan_473

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You don't believe Christian worship true god?
No, I do believe Christians worship the true God. But worshipping the true God is not what brings the holy Spirit. What brings the holy spirit is believing in Jesus, becoming a Christian. imo.
 

Dan_473

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Ask Muslim, they know god from Quran or rain.
Rain and sky may tell there is creator, but Quran them who is creator

It say creator is Allah, that teach them jesus not god
I do not look to Muslims for information about spiritual issues.
The Creator that people know about from "rain and sky", is that the true God?
 

Jackson123

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No, I do believe Christians worship the true God. But worshipping the true God is not what brings the holy Spirit. What brings the holy spirit is believing in Jesus, becoming a Christian. imo.
So worshiping the true god doesn't mean believing in Jesus?
 

Jackson123

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I do not look to Muslims for information about spiritual issues.
The Creator that people know about from "rain and sky", is that the true God?
Some Indian people believe eagle is the true god
 

Dan_473

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It is always interesting how we want to limit God to missionaries but don't think He can use a burning bush or a talking donkey to teach people :)
Absolutely! And when people hear from a burning bush or a talking donkey, are they miraculously told the name of Jesus? I wouldn't rule it out. But if that doesn't happen, what kinds of words or phrases do they use to describe what they have learned?
 

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Holy Spirit teaches us but He will never ever contradict God’s written word…. and there is a false spirit also teaching so you need knowledge to not be deceived.
Yes, the spirit teaches Christians!
I agree that the spirit will never contradict God's written word. Along with that, God's written word is not open to private interpretation, it too requires the spirit.
 

Dan_473

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So worshiping the true god doesn't mean believing in Jesus?
That's correct.
Here's an example from the high priest
Matthew 26: 63 But Jesus held his peace. The high priest answered him, "I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God."

He didn't believe in Jesus, but he's clearly talking about the true God.
 

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I see. As an example, then, what would that look like for someone who lived in the Americas about a thousand years ago?
Since after the Holy Ghost was poured out on the Day of Pentecost in 30 AD the gospel message of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection has been proclaimed throughout the world. Those having migrated to the America's would have had exposure in their countries of origin. There has been no lapse of religious expression of the gospel and/or doctrinal debate in one form or another since that time. Many studies of Church History speak to this truth.
 

Jackson123

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That's correct.
Here's an example from the high priest
Matthew 26: 63 But Jesus held his peace. The high priest answered him, "I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God."

He didn't believe in Jesus, but he's clearly talking about the true God.
Talking about the true god or worshiping the true god
 

Jackson123

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Yes, the spirit teaches Christians!
I agree that the spirit will never contradict God's written word. Along with that, God's written word is not open to private interpretation, it too requires the spirit.
What do you mean by god written word not open to private interpretation?
 

Jackson123

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Jews as a religion not worship true god.

Jews curse Jesus, below is the testimony of ex rabi, his rabbi father and granola curse Jesus, he lost his job when he accept Jesus, he experience physical persecution when he talk about jesus.

How people worship true god persecute Jesus?