Is God Good?
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Spurgeon explains it quite well...
C H Spurgeon's comments…
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And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
In the course of providence, the Lord tests our graces and the sincerity of our profession; and for this purpose he does “leads us into temptation. ” We entreat him not to try us too severely. Lord, let not my joys or my sorrows become temptations to me. As I would not run into temptation of myself, I pray thee, do not lead me where I must inevitably meet it.
But if I must be tried, Lord, deliver me from falling into evil, and specially preserve me from that evil one, who, above all, seeks my soul, to destroy it. Temptation or trial may be for my good, if I am delivered from evil.
Lord, do this for me, for I cannot preserve myself.
The prayer finishes with a doxology. That devotion which begins with prayer ends in praise. All rule, and might and honor, belong to God; and to him let them for ever be ascribed. His is “the kingdom ”, or the right to rule; “the power ”, or the might to uphold his authority; and “the glory ”, or the honor that comes out of his government. Our whole heart delights that the Lord is thus supreme and glorious; and therefore we say, “Amen. ” How perfect is this model of prayer! So fit for man to pray, so suitable to be laid before the throng of the Majesty on High. Oh, that we may have grace to copy it all our days! Jesus, our King, will not refuse to present a prayer which is of his own drawing up and is directed to the Father whom he loves to glorify.
In the course of providence, the Lord tests our graces and the sincerity of our profession; and for this purpose he does “leads us into temptation. ” We entreat him not to try us too severely. Lord, let not my joys or my sorrows become temptations to me. As I would not run into temptation of myself, I pray thee, do not lead me where I must inevitably meet it.
But if I must be tried, Lord, deliver me from falling into evil, and specially preserve me from that evil one, who, above all, seeks my soul, to destroy it. Temptation or trial may be for my good, if I am delivered from evil.
Lord, do this for me, for I cannot preserve myself.
The prayer finishes with a doxology. That devotion which begins with prayer ends in praise. All rule, and might and honor, belong to God; and to him let them for ever be ascribed. His is “the kingdom ”, or the right to rule; “the power ”, or the might to uphold his authority; and “the glory ”, or the honor that comes out of his government. Our whole heart delights that the Lord is thus supreme and glorious; and therefore we say, “Amen. ” How perfect is this model of prayer! So fit for man to pray, so suitable to be laid before the throng of the Majesty on High. Oh, that we may have grace to copy it all our days! Jesus, our King, will not refuse to present a prayer which is of his own drawing up and is directed to the Father whom he loves to glorify.
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let's illustrate the absurdity:
if this business is true we'll get to heaven and the throne will be empty because God will have tossed Himself into the lake of fire
- suppose God causes all sin - therefore God inherits guilt for all sin
- blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven
- from (1.) guilt for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is ascribed to God
- from (2.) God cannot be forgiven for (3.)
- from (4.) God condemns Himself to hell
if this business is true we'll get to heaven and the throne will be empty because God will have tossed Himself into the lake of fire
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“And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.” 1 Kings 22:19–23 (KJV 1900)
no, you & Clark indeed say God can and does sin, gregariously, but you & Clark say God gets off on a technicality.
Clark's argument is that God the author of all evil - by extension that God Himself is evil, but that literally the only thing stopping you from condemning God is lacking authority to do so. that same argument prevents you from calling God good, and this is all predicated on lacking reverence for Him.
Clark's argument is that God the author of all evil - by extension that God Himself is evil, but that literally the only thing stopping you from condemning God is lacking authority to do so. that same argument prevents you from calling God good, and this is all predicated on lacking reverence for Him.
If you ask Him, He would explain it to you. You can’t go to Him with the alphabet and ask Him to teach you math. Your premise is off the mark. Your presumption causes you to see things that are not what exist. If I tried to tell you, you and others here would just argue. The story of the Garden is allegorical injected with facts. Sometimes a good story is easier to understand to the simple minded. It was given to Nomadic tribes in the desert who desired insight to the whirlwind they followed by day and pillar of fire by night. Sometimes too much information is confusing. A garden, a snake, a reason for a fall from grace and an Almighty deliverer to lead them to the promised land was all they needed to know.