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EleventhHour

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Judges1318 said:
So is the analogy of dying.
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No it is not about death... Jesus is talking about birth.

You are desperate and your losable salvation fails here and you know it!

I am still waiting or is it too hard for you to be sincere after all your dis-genuine twisting of scripture.

Tell me is it willful sin to twist and deny the plain words of Jesus.
 
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EleventhHour said:
I am not grasping... die is not being unborn.

Seriously and you say I have a comprehension problem.

We all die but we are never unborn.


Now deal with passage/converstation between Jesus and Nicodemus.
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It means not being alive anymore.
Understand?
How does one who is born but dies still have life?
They don't......except in osas, lol.
 
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EleventhHour said:
No it is not about death... Jesus is talking about birth.

You are desperate and your losable salvation fails here.
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You're desperate for an argument.

Explain how that which is born and given life still has life when it dies?
Death doesn't erase the historical fact that one was born.
Death erases the life that was received when it was born.
 
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EleventhHour said:
I understand... well I do not want to speak for @dcontroversal, (but I will just a bit :)) but typically in my experience when he states has no power.... he is stating...... no power to save.
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Agreed!

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You would agree a false gospel has no power to save?
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I will agree there is a false narative,
There is only one Gospel.
And it is all about Yahweh and His Christ, the Gospel of Salvation....

God Bless!
 
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Judges1318 said:
I did that.
You're actually the one that is not doing that. You went outside of the context of Hebrews 9-10 for a convenient usage of 'sanctified' that suits your predetermined doctrine which defies not only the context of the passage but the context of the whole of scripture. I showed you this.
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All you showed me was your biased agenda through scripture twisting and I proved my point within the context of Hebrews 10 and also by properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture in post #19.

Hebrews 10:10 clearly states - WE have been sanctified-once for all and verse 14 clearly states - perfected forever THOSE who are sanctified.

You need to stop twisting the text to mean something else in a desperate effort to try and “get around” the truth.
 
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EleventhHour

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Judges1318 said:
You're desperate for an argument.

Explain how that which is born and given life still has life when it dies?
Death doesn't erase the historical fact that one was born.
Death erases the life that was received when it was born.
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We all die.. do we all loose salvation then!!

Wow you even deny reality to promote a false gospel....truly terrifying!!
 
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Hebrews 10:10 clearly states - WE have been sanctified-once for all and verse 14 clearly states - perfected forever THOSE who are sanctified.

You need to stop twisting the text to mean something else in a desperate effort to try and “get around” the truth.
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You need to stop ignoring the context that explains what the 'forever' is in Christ's ministry and sanctification.
 
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EleventhHour

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mailmandan said:
All you showed me was your biased agenda through scripture twisting and I proved my point within the context of Hebrews 10 and also by properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture in post #19.

Hebrews 10:10 clearly states - WE have been sanctified-once for all and verse 14 clearly states - perfected forever THOSE who are sanctified.

You need to stop twisting the text to mean something else in a desperate effort to try and “get around” the truth.
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That he can twist around the words of Jesus and his perfect analogy of being born from above as a one time event that cannot be

undone like our physical birth a one time event that cannot be undone tells me he is a most ******** false teacher ever!!!!
 
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All you showed me was your biased agenda through scripture twisting and I proved my point within the context of Hebrews 10 and also by properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture in post #19.
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Actually you haven't there, guy.
Take the exact things I wrote and disprove them.
Don't just reiterate your argument.
Directly address and refute the exact things I said.
You have never done this.
All you do is restate your argument.
 
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Judges1318 said:
Did you bother to consult the context to see what is 'forever' about Christ and his ministry and the sanctification that he gives?
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No. because we are sticking to THIS verse that you so cherish...

Dont change the subject....stick to THIS context...

Milk first
 
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EleventhHour

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Judges1318 said:
No, those who endure to the very end in continued believing do not die but live forever in the kingdom.
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We all die a physical death, being born is a physical event.. so obviously you fail at your attempt to make this about losing salvation.
 
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