CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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I'll be 96 this month and I use the Lord's healing powers to in this world to keep me healthy and happy. If I feel ill I meditate on the Lord, picturing Him working within me. It has't helped my failing eyesight or my balance but otherwise it always restores my health.

When God looked at what He created he said it was good.
 
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Yes God heals today, and does so often.

The end result is always the healing, so whether it's through a doctor or with no intervention is not the point. Since ultimately it went through God and God gives knowledge, provides the right people, and right circumstances. The goodness is still from the Lord.

My faith on healing is shaky honestly. The only exception is if I don't know the person. And the reason is that the fear outweighs the faith. If you have something you're very emotional about...say a parent is sick. Though you believe God can heal them, you also know this world doesn't always go according to plan. So the faith is shaky bc your fear is attached to it. It's a spiritual law.

For example: Imagine you have a dream, and you can fly wherever you want. You tell the other people they can fly too for you know it's only a dream. However they don't believe you. You say hold on to me and I'll help you fly. But they still say no bc they don't trust or believe you, though it's your dream.

So people can heal and also prayer can heal, just as the example.

"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."
Though you believe God can heal them, you also know this world doesn't always go according to plan.

Reply: Isn't God's plan to heal through faith in Christ unthwarted?
Faith pleases God. Healing is secondary. Whatsoever that comes not through faith is sin (Romans 14:23).
 
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I'll be 96 this month and I use the Lord's healing powers to in this world to keep me healthy and happy. If I feel ill I meditate on the Lord, picturing Him working within me. It has't helped my failing eyesight or my balance but otherwise it always restores my health.

When God looked at what He created he said it was good.
Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
 
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Thats no answer. Why it was not taught after pentecost to the new believers?
2Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".
 
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That means cure from her sickness. Thats right! But this has nothing to do with eternal salvation. Thats called eisegese. Means bringing your View into the Text, without that the Text is supporting what you says.
Mark 9:23: "Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth".

All things means salvation from wrath & sicknesses.
 
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So if Christians pray and the healing did not come, would you tell them its because they don't believe?
2 Thessalonians 1: 3: "We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly".

God desires His people to grow in faith.
 

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2Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".
Thats explains the authority of the scripture.
That means not to take the scripture out of the Context according your own View for to create New teachings. Neither taught Jesus that believing in his blood heals all physical sickness, nor is it taught to any of the church, means believers after pentecost.
 

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Mark 9:23: "Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth".

All things means salvation from wrath & sicknesses.
Thats eisegese, taking your thoughts into the scripture. I doubt that your thoughts are equal to the word of God.
 
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Thats explains the authority of the scripture.
That means not to take the scripture out of the Context according your own View for to create New teachings. Neither taught Jesus that believing in his blood heals all physical sickness, nor is it taught to any of the church, means believers after pentecost.
All physical sickness?
Mark 9:23: "Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth".
 
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Thats eisegese, taking your thoughts into the scripture. I doubt that your thoughts are equal to the word of God.
So shall it be according to your faith (Mathew 8:13). You can gladly remain in your sicknesses without healing.
 

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All physical sickness?
Mark 9:23: "Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth".
Why then this in your eyes important issue, never was taught to believers, after pentecost. Why then the Holy Spirit gave the gift of healing for a certain purpose, if everybody could heal himself through faith?
 
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Why then this in your eyes important issue, never was taught to believers, after pentecost. Why then the Holy Spirit gave the gift of healing for a certain purpose, if everybody could heal himself through faith?
Gift is to heal unbelievers as a sign. Faith for healing is for believers. That was why epaphroditus was healed by faith in Christ's blood.
 
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Why then this in your eyes important issue, never was taught to believers, after pentecost. Why then the Holy Spirit gave the gift of healing for a certain purpose, if everybody could heal himself through faith?
This is not an important issue for me alone for without teaching it, christians will end up in the benny hinn & company's healing camp without growing in faith.
 

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So shall it be according to your faith (Mathew 8:13). You can gladly remain in your sicknesses without healing.
And you are giving false promisses through your view. Why I should believe a teaching, I cant find taught in the NT?
Almost everybody who was healed through Jesus died later, because of any sickness.Our sinful Body is not made for eternity.
What Jesus did, was for to proof that he is the Messajah.
 
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And you are giving false promisses through your view. Why I should believe a teaching, I cant find taught in the NT?
Almost everybody who was healed through Jesus died later, because of any sickness.Our sinful Body is not made for eternity.
What Jesus did, was for to proof that he is the Messajah.
Healing through a sign doesn't protect from death. Faith does.

Christians may claim to be healed by either doctors or miracles through gifted healers or prayers of elders etc but if the personal faith in "Christ's blood which heals" is missing, God is not pleased. Why? God wants every Christian to fulfil the great commission to proclaim the good news of Christ's blood, to all nations. Without the above personal faith, the good news can't be proclaimed.
 
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Why then this in your eyes important issue, never was taught to believers, after pentecost. Why then the Holy Spirit gave the gift of healing for a certain purpose, if everybody could heal himself through faith?
In the story of the 10 lepers all 10 were healed. Only one gave glory to God and he was made whole or restored. Healing can be passive aggressive. Restoration miracles go beyond what we can receive through positive thinking and the power of suggestion. We see this with placebos. There is a limit on the benefit people can receive from placebos. We are told there is no limit with God. With God we can see restoration miracles. As a construction worker I would see this on the job. There is never a job that you have to abandon that can not be finished if you keep at it long enough. Even though it may seem impossible all of a sudden everything will just fall into place as if a miracle had happened. We use to joke about how Jesus had a board stretcher. Anyone can cut a board and make it short but not everyone can stretch out a board and make it longer.
 
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Christians may claim to be healed by either doctors or miracles through gifted healers or prayers of elders etc but if the personal faith in "Christ's blood which heals" is missing, God is not pleased. Why? God wants every Christian to fulfil the great commission to proclaim the good news of Christ's blood, to all nations. Without the above personal faith, the good news can't be proclaimed.
Around 40 years ago my first wife wanted a divorce. We went to an Episcopal priest for counseling and he told her I was an abusive person and that there was no hope for the marriage. I told him that God hates divorce but he said that was not between a man and a women, that was between Christ and His church. He died about a year later from Aids. Yet here I am after all these years telling people that God hates divorce.
 
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Around 40 years ago my first wife wanted a divorce. We went to an Episcopal priest for counseling and he told her I was an abusive person and that there was no hope for the marriage. I told him that God hates divorce but he said that was not between a man and a women, that was between Christ and His church. He died about a year later from Aids. Yet here I am after all these years telling people that God hates divorce.
What's your point?
 

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Gift is to heal unbelievers as a sign. Faith for healing is for believers. That was why epaphroditus was healed by faith in Christ's blood.
Then you should read 1. Cor. 12. The gifts are for the Body. Where do you got from that the gift of healing was given for unbelievers?
 

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Healing through a sign doesn't protect from death. Faith does.

Christians may claim to be healed by either doctors or miracles through gifted healers or prayers of elders etc but if the personal faith in "Christ's blood which heals" is missing, God is not pleased. Why? God wants every Christian to fulfil the great commission to proclaim the good news of Christ's blood, to all nations. Without the above personal faith, the good news can't be proclaimed.
What do you have always with the blood?
Nowhere in NT it is said we should proclaim
Jesus blood.
So you are saying, if people got healed without personal faith in Jesus blood God is not pleased?
Who give the healing? The Person who heales? The blood heals? It is always God who heales. Nothing else.
You sounds like a magician.
Your teaching is not giving God the Glory!