CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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I think you meant Christ's Spirit heals us. God in not a man . Literal blood without a spirit returns to the clay of the field

He heals all by a work of faith or labor of his love. He moves the mind to invent cures as well as steading the hand and works out his good purposes in other ways "not seen" .

God in no way shape or form is not served by human hands or human mind .

Words of the gospel they are spirit and life.

When men attribute the work of the word of God the gospel to the corrupted hands of men.

Men with no faith make the apostles into gods in the likeness of men (Acts14) blasphemy.
Christ's blood denotes His good deeds & His merit points which bring healing from God.
 

miknik5

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Sign & paul & doctors are primarily for unbelievers not for christians. Christians have to learn to believe Christ's cross for healing.
Thatś what I said,sir....
signs and wonders were confirmation and validation for men of CHRIST. Most often those who do not believe...that they MIGHT believe and be saved[/QUOTE]
 

miknik5

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Sign & paul & doctors are primarily for unbelievers not for christians. Christians have to learn to believe Christ's cross for healing.
Iḿ sorry...I crossed out your additions...these are just yeasty opinions, suggestions, thoughts, ideas of men....
Signs were GODś work (not menś) attesting to CHRISTś validity...
 

miknik5

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If christians trust in doctors, glorify them and grow in faith, God isn't pleased. Faith in Christ's cross can heal any disease without any doctors assistance.

Unbelievers have no faith and so they glorify doctors.

You should know the difference between what you are responsible to do...what is in your ability and capability to do...and to do it.

Anything after that, is left to GOD...by faith sir...that HE will do what is outside of our control and our capability. to do..

Christians should and do go to the doctor for their ailments...and while they do what is in their ability and capability to do, they do not and will not neglect prayer...
 
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You should know the difference between what you are responsible to do...what is in your ability and capability to do...and to do it.

Anything after that, is left to GOD...by faith sir...that HE will do what is outside of our control and our capability. to do..

Christians should and do go to the doctor for their ailments...and while they do what is in their ability and capability to do, they do not and will not neglect prayer...
He belongs to the snake handlers group of Christians ;)
 

miknik5

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He belongs to the snake handlers group of Christians ;)
Iḿ really not sure who he belongs to...nor am I sure that he believes what he says in his posts. I think he is only parroting what he might have read and thought he understood...

What I do believe, regarding this man, is that he is not at all interested in what a Christian truly believes to begin with..
 
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Thatś what I said,sir....
signs and wonders were confirmation and validation for men of CHRIST. Most often those who do not believe...that they MIGHT believe and be saved
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People seek gifted healers because they are not taught about faith in Christ for healing.
 
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Iḿ really not sure who he belongs to...nor am I sure that he believes what he says in his posts. I think he is only parroting what he might have read and thought he understood...

What I do believe, regarding this man, is that he is not at all interested in what a Christian truly believes to begin with..
Salvation is not only freedom from wrath but also from sicknesses. Mathew 9:22.
 
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You should know the difference between what you are responsible to do...what is in your ability and capability to do...and to do it.

Anything after that, is left to GOD...by faith sir...that HE will do what is outside of our control and our capability. to do..

Christians should and do go to the doctor for their ailments...and while they do what is in their ability and capability to do, they do not and will not neglect prayer...
Doctors only treat. Faith in Christ's blood alone heals. Faith can heal without doctor's intervention.
 
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Iḿ sorry...I crossed out your additions...these are just yeasty opinions, suggestions, thoughts, ideas of men....
Signs were GODś work (not menś) attesting to CHRISTś validity...
Healing signs are for unbelievers to help them believe. Faith in Christ's blood for healing is for believers.
 

wolfwint

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Salvation is not only freedom from wrath but also from sicknesses. Mathew 9:22.
Matth. 9.22 says nothing from freedom of wrath. What you are teaching is your own view, but not what bible says. Nowwhere in the NT after pentecost people where taught this. Why not?
 
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Matth. 9.22 says nothing from freedom of wrath. What you are teaching is your own view, but not what bible says. Nowwhere in the NT after pentecost people where taught this. Why not?
Mathew 9:22 talks about salvation from sicknesses.
 

blueluna5

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Does God heal today? If yes, on what basis does God heal? Do christians have to depend only on doctors or people like t.b.joshua for healing?
You may post your opinion.
Yes God heals today, and does so often.

The end result is always the healing, so whether it's through a doctor or with no intervention is not the point. Since ultimately it went through God and God gives knowledge, provides the right people, and right circumstances. The goodness is still from the Lord.

My faith on healing is shaky honestly. The only exception is if I don't know the person. And the reason is that the fear outweighs the faith. If you have something you're very emotional about...say a parent is sick. Though you believe God can heal them, you also know this world doesn't always go according to plan. So the faith is shaky bc your fear is attached to it. It's a spiritual law.

For example: Imagine you have a dream, and you can fly wherever you want. You tell the other people they can fly too for you know it's only a dream. However they don't believe you. You say hold on to me and I'll help you fly. But they still say no bc they don't trust or believe you, though it's your dream.

So people can heal and also prayer can heal, just as the example.

"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."
 
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Yes God heals today, and does so often.

The end result is always the healing, so whether it's through a doctor or with no intervention is not the point. Since ultimately it went through God and God gives knowledge, provides the right people, and right circumstances. The goodness is still from the Lord.

My faith on healing is shaky honestly. The only exception is if I don't know the person. And the reason is that the fear outweighs the faith. If you have something you're very emotional about...say a parent is sick. Though you believe God can heal them, you also know this world doesn't always go according to plan. So the faith is shaky bc your fear is attached to it. It's a spiritual law.

For example: Imagine you have a dream, and you can fly wherever you want. You tell the other people they can fly too for you know it's only a dream. However they don't believe you. You say hold on to me and I'll help you fly. But they still say no bc they don't trust or believe you, though it's your dream.

So people can heal and also prayer can heal, just as the example.

"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."
So if Christians pray and the healing did not come, would you tell them its because they don't believe?
 

wolfwint

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Mathew 9:22 talks about salvation from sicknesses.
That means cure from her sickness. Thats right! But this has nothing to do with eternal salvation. Thats called eisegese. Means bringing your View into the Text, without that the Text is supporting what you says.
 

blueluna5

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So if Christians pray and the healing did not come, would you tell them its because they don't believe?
No, I've never met an immortal.

Just because the positive is true, doesn't make the negative also true. I don't look at a mountain not moving and think no one must have faith here..
 
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No, I've never met an immortal.

Just because the positive is true, doesn't make the negative also true. I don't look at a mountain not moving and think no one must have faith here..
So you believe God heals randomly?