Three Gods or one? Explain the Trinity.

tantalon · Apr 23, 2020

Only ONE God...Think on it. Only ONE. God cannot lie, therefore God's WORD(s) are truth. The words of God were placed into a flesh form. Jesus said "I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me. Think on it this way: the speaker, (The Father) directs what HE wants to say, (the words do not just tumble out of their own accord). What He says, is subject to the speakers will, but ARE THE WORDS of God. Therefore, we can conclude that the words are Gods' words. When scripture says in John 1: 14 that the words of God became flesh, that is referring to the word of the Godhead, and thus, the man Jesus Christ. Jesus said "I do always those things that please Him". Another passage says "my Father is greater than I" ( the speaker), but, in another place, "my Father and I are ONE". The Spirit of God is God's own Spirit, and is the character of God's Holiness. ONE GOD, manifesting HIMSELF as His Will, his words, and his Spirit. Thus Jesus claimed he was God, the Word made flesh. Thus the Trinity -Three in ONE person.

John146 · Apr 23, 2020

Dave-L said:

Certainly, I listen to other opinions and teachings on scripture. But, I’m not going to, ultimately base truth off creeds.

Absolutely · Apr 23, 2020

tantalon said:

Humanly impossible
Humanly
Humanly.

God is a spirit.
He is outside human dimension and reasoning.
He is one God
But God is 3 separate persons.
each is deity.
According to the bible

Absolutely · Apr 23, 2020

tantalon said:

Only ONE God...Think on it. Only ONE. God cannot lie, therefore God's WORD(s) are truth. The words of God were placed into a flesh form. Jesus said "I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me. Think on it this way: the speaker, (The Father) directs what HE wants to say, (the words do not just tumble out of their own accord). What He says, is subject to the speakers will, but ARE THE WORDS of God. Therefore, we can conclude that the words are Gods' words. When scripture says in John 1: 14 that the words of God became flesh, that is referring to the word of the Godhead, and thus, the man Jesus Christ. Jesus said "I do always those things that please Him". Another passage says "my Father is greater than I" ( the speaker), but, in another place, "my Father and I are ONE". The Spirit of God is God's own Spirit, and is the character of God's Holiness. ONE GOD, manifesting HIMSELF as His Will, his words, and his Spirit. Thus Jesus claimed he was God, the Word made flesh. Thus the Trinity -Three in ONE person.

Huh?

Under your reasoning,is Jesus creator or created?

Absolutely · Apr 23, 2020

tantalon said:

A better question would be concerning the deity of Jesus.

The deity of Jesus gets you miles above the indirect debate road you are on.

The deity of Jesus is THE STARTING PLACE of biblical study.
All study and understanding STARTS there.

Once that truth is mastered...proceed.

That is your starting place.

Absolutely · Apr 23, 2020

MattforJesus said:

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, and He is God and man.

God said there is no God beside Him, and there was no God formed before Him, and there shall be no God formed after Him.

The Bible says there is one God, the Father, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Which in the Old Testament God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews, and speak to them, which God spoke by the prophets in the Old Testament, but now speaks by His Son.

Which Jesus told Philip if you have seen me, you have seen the Father, and the words that I speak are not my own, but the Father that dwells in me, He does the works.

Which the Son was made according to the flesh of the seed of David, and when the time was fully come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law.

Jesus is God who has no beginning, and man who has a beginning, and Jesus can speak either as God, or the man Christ Jesus.

Son means to be begotten and have a father or else son has no meaning, so how can there be a Son of God that has no beginning, which the Son had a beginning in the womb of Mary, whose deity is God, and He is the Son of God.

Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and the Lord is that Spirit.

I believe there is one God, who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

Not 3 persons in a trinity, but the 3 relationships God has with His saints designated by titles.

Father- parent of the saints, and Creator of all things, which all things are from Him, and He created all things by Jesus Christ which God created all things because of the plan to come in the future in flesh, and without that plan God would of not created anything He created.

Son- God's visible relationship to the saints, and there is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on it, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus, and God in visible activity.

Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints, and God in invisible activity.

Let us make man in our image.

In the Old Testament Adam made in the image of God, and in the New Testament Adam was made in the figure of Him who is to come, Jesus Christ.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

God had the plan to come in the future in flesh, and created Adam in that image, an innocent nature in flesh.

The let us make man in our image is God, and the man Christ Jesus, a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God.

Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Those are not names, but titles, and it is name singular.

Jesus said He came in the Father's name.

Hebrews 1 says the Son inherited the name from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name.

Which Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans were all baptized in the name of Jesus.

All that we do in word and deed we do all in the name of Jesus.

Jesus at the right hand of God.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus said all power is given unto me in heaven and earth.

The Son must reign until His enemies are conquered, then the Son shall submit to God, the Father, that God may be all in all.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power, be at His right hand, until the saints are with Him, and His enemies are conquered, then the Son cease exercising the throne of power, stop being at the right hand, that God may be all in all.

Bogus.
Totally bogus

Absolutely · Apr 23, 2020

Hungry said:

That is not her point.
Re read it.
You missed the point

biker · Apr 23, 2020

The very same author, Tertullian, who introduced the idea of the trinity later on a became a Montanism, which have been labelled as HERETICS.

Sometime before 210 Tertullian left the orthodox church to join a new prophetic sectarian movement known as Montanism (founded by the 2nd-century Phrygian prophet Montanus), which had spread from Asia Minor to Africa.

Tertullian | Christian theologian | Britannica
www.britannica.com/biography/Tertullian

So, if you want to accept someone's ideas who on purpose joined a group Heretics, than be my guest!

Hungry · Apr 23, 2020

Absolutely said:

I reread it. What was the point? Unless I missed it again, it was illustrating that one person can play many rolls at one time. However, the Son is clearly not the Father. It states Yeshua was theos meaning devine (from the heavens). Christ saying “I and the Father are One” doesn’t mean they were the same person. It means they are unified. Once we are born again, in Christ we are “one”. We are branches grafted into the Vine. When two become one in marriage there is still two people acting as one. This is what it means. The trinity is not a mystery. It’s generally just a misunderstood concept.

wolfwint · Apr 23, 2020

tantalon said:

Ask the Father! All trying from mankind will not answer your question.

UnoiAmarah · Apr 23, 2020

tantalon said:

If God told you that He cannot lie then all things could not be possible with God, so whosoever told you that all things are possible with God would be lying if the truth is that God cannot lie. Hence it is written in Ezek 14:9
"And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, ..."

tantalon said:

According to the dogma of the Trinity which is the mystery of the faith which can only be known if God reveals it to the believer thus the Catholics do not confess three Gods in one person, but one God in three persons.

“...Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:” [see Ex 4:22]

biker · Apr 23, 2020

I personally choose to believe the Church Father, Theophilus of Antioch, views:

God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.

but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
^
This does not make 3 persons but it does show How God, outside of Himself, used His WORD and SPIRIT to fulfill His WILL!

tantalon · Apr 23, 2020

Absolutely said:

Go to Genesis 1: 2 "the Spirit of God was moving upon the face of the waters". Now, verse three, note the words And God SAID... the command given was through His WORDS. So who created everything? The Trinity were all present, but the creation was accomplished by God the Father through HIS WORDS, as the scripture has stated. See and read carefully Hebrews 1: 1,2. and Colossians 1: 15-17. for some examples.

FlyingDove · Apr 23, 2020

tantalon said:

Scripture proclaims: The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are all God.

Jesus is God: Isa 7:14 & 9:6, Micah 5:2, Matt 1:23, Jn 1:1 & 20:28, 1 Tim 3:16 Titus 2:13 Rom 9:5 Rev 1:8.

Holy Spirit (alway's capitalized showing deity) is God: Ps 139:7-8, Acts 5:3-4 & 13:2, Eph 4:30, 1 Cor 2:10-11, 12:4-7, 2 Cor 13:14

God the Son/Jesus the Christ, pre-existed prior the his incarnation & is our Gen 1, Creator/God:

John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(NOTE: Before the flash point of creation. The Word/Son/Jesus was with God (The Father) and was/is also God)

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(NOTE: God-Pre-incarnate Christ MADE/CREATED ALL THINGS! Christ/Son of God is the Gen 1 creator)

Col 1:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(NOTE: Christ CREATED ALL THINGS! God the Son/Christ/Jesus is our worlds Gen 1 creator)

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
(NOTE: God the Son MADE THE WORLDS! God the Son/Christ/Jesus is the Gen 1 creator)

Jn:
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(NOTE: God the Father gave his Son)

6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
(NOTE: God the Son/Jesus say's; I was sent from heaven by the God the Father. Before the flash point of creation, God Father sends the Son. Its here God the Son begins the work of reconciliton/salvation.)

6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
(NOTE: The Son of man (Christ in the flesh) ascends (Acts 1:9-12). Going back to where he pre-existed)

Jn 8:23 Jesus said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
(NOTE: The SON of God/Jesus say's, he's from above & not from this world)

8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
(NOTE: The Son of God proclaims he preexisted)

Jn 16:28 Jesus said, I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father
(NOTE: The SON of God/Jesus say's, He came forth from the Father (did he leave himself?) He will return to the Father. Although, The Son is ONE WITH, he's NOT the Father)

Jn 17:5 O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(NOTE: Before the world began, the Son, enjoyed glory "WITH" the Father. "NOT AS" the Father)

KJV Dictionary Definition: BOSOM
Bosom, in composition, implies intimacy, affection and confidence; as a bosom-friend, an intimate or confidential friend; bosom-lover, bosom-interest, bosom-secret, etc

Jn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the """bosom of the Father""".
(NOTE: I submitt to you, neither the Father or Son, are having an intimate relationship with one's self. PUN INTENDED)

The bond of: Fleshly oneness
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
QUESTION: Do they actually become the person?)

Mk 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
QUESTION: Do they literally become one flesh?)

1 Cor 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
QUESTION: Do they actually become one flesh?)

Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
QUESTION: Do they literally become one flesh?)

Spiritual oneness:

Jn 10:30 I and my Father are one.
(NOTE: SPIRITUALLY ONE)

Jn 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
(NOTE: SPIRITUAL ONENESS)

Jn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
(NOTE: SPIRITUAL ONENESS)

Jn 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
(NOTE: SPIRITUAL ONENESS)

Jn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
(NOTE: SPIRITUAL ONENESS, HERE, THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN INDEWLT WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE INCLUDED)

Jn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
(NOTE: SPIRITUAL ONENESS, THOSE THAT ARE INDEWLT VIA THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE INCLUDED)

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
(NOTE: Does one body = one person? NO! The millions/billions = ONE SPIRITUAL BODY)

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(NOTE: Christ is the head of the church: He is the saviour of a numerous ""SPIRITUAL BODY OF ONE"")

1 Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
(NOTE: The HEAD of Christ, is God the the Father)

Scripture states 4 TIMES: "God the Father" said to "God the Son" Sit at my right hand.

Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Matt 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Luk 20:42 David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
(NOTE: The LORD ISN'T talking to HIMSELF!)

When Jesus prays to the Father: IS HE PRAYING TO HIMSELF?

Jn 14:28 Jesus say's, the Father is greater then him: DID JESUS LIE HERE?

John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
(NOTE: Jesus said: I came from the Father, I leave this world & return to the Father.
QUESTION: IS JESUS RETURNING TO HIMSELF?)

Heb 10:12 (C) after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(This isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus & HE DOESN'T SIT DOWN NEXT TO HIMSELF?)

Rev 5:7 And he (VS 5 the Loin of the tribe of Juda, ve 6 the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(NOTE: This isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Lamb/Jesus. DOESN'T TAKE THE BOOK OUT OF HIS OWN HAND!)

Rom 8:17 We're children, "heirs also", "heirs of God & fellow heirs with Christ
(NOTE: Believers are fellow heirs of God the Father, with Christ. Is Christ an heir to himself?)

Heb 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, thru whom also He made the world
(NOTE: God the Father appointed God the Son HEIR of ALL things within our realm. Even though they are of the same Godly substance/firey brilliance. It belonged to the Father, they didn't have a CO-EQUAL share)

Find 3 post resurrection verses where God the Son SAT DOWN at the right hand (NOT on the throne) of God the Father (& NOT next to himself) Mk 16:19, Heb 1:3, Heb 10:12

God the Father sends God the Son:
Jn 3:16, 5:23, 30, 36 & 37, 6:38 & 39, 6:57, 8:42, 10;36, 12:49. Can anyone provide a scripture, where anyone sends the Father?

God the Father gives to God the Son: Jn 3:35, 5:22 & 26, 6:37&39, 10:29, 13:3 16:28. Can anyone provide a scripture, where anyone gives anything to the Father?

If the Father & Son are the same person, what's the point in any of the following verses? Everyone of these verses were written POST RESURRECTION! Gal 1:1 & 3, Eph 6:23, Php 2:11, 1 Th 1:1, 2 Ti 1:2, Tit 1:4, 1 Pe 1:2, 2 Pe 1:17, 2 Jn 1:3, Jud 1:1 Jude

Pay special attention vs 28!

1 Cor 15:
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

When all is comlpete/fulfilled (after the white throne). The Son will what? SUBJECT, ALL THINGS INCLUDING HIMSELF, unto the Father, that gave them to him. Within our universe, Christ, will FOREVER remain King of Kings & Lord of Lords. Why? Because the Father, rewarded his just redemptive works. And has GIVEN ALL THINGS WITHIN OUR UNIVERSE TO HIM.

I understand many may disagree with these opinions. No harm, no foul, that’s your privilege. I'm simply sharing thoughts on this topic & bible verses.

My view isn't going to lead anyone into a lost eternity. For that we all must choose for ourselves.

biker · Apr 23, 2020

The Son/Father combination is an interesting viewpoint. I have heard it several ways being explained and can buy it all. But it does seem as HUMAN BEING, Eshu, outside of being our Sacrifice for Salvation, was an example of a HUMAN BEING to all other HUMAN BEINGS in how we should live for God. Technically, when ESHU taught us the Lord's Prayer, He made sure that ALL HUMAN BEINGS are "children" to God, hence the OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN.

What I am saying then, ESHU was God as a HUMAN BEING, and called Himself (HUMAN BEING) a Son of God. He also said to the other HUMAN BEINGS, we are also Sons and Daughters of GOD. I read the Bible how I believe the Hebrew people explained it the best, in 3rd person format. When I do that, I believe I see scripture as it was intended to be. Because as we already know, hardly anything is literal within the Bible, it is ALL SPIRITUALLY based.

Kemorean · Apr 23, 2020

tantalon said:

Only ONE God...Think on it. Only ONE. God cannot lie, therefore God's WORD(s) are truth. The words of God were placed into a flesh form. Jesus said "I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me. Think on it this way: the speaker, (The Father) directs what HE wants to say, (the words do not just tumble out of their own accord). What He says, is subject to the speakers will, but ARE THE WORDS of God. Therefore, we can conclude that the words are Gods' words. When scripture says in John 1: 14 that the words of God became flesh, that is referring to the word of the Godhead, and thus, the man Jesus Christ. Jesus said "I do always those things that please Him". Another passage says "my Father is greater than I" ( the speaker), but, in another place, "my Father and I are ONE". The Spirit of God is God's own Spirit, and is the character of God's Holiness. ONE GOD, manifesting HIMSELF as His Will, his words, and his Spirit. Thus Jesus claimed he was God, the Word made flesh. Thus the Trinity -Three in ONE person.

Wow! Hard to put a concept into words that is so far above our ability to understand. I would say.. There is but ONE God in Three Persons. The three persons of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is the ONE and the same God.

ourforgiveness-com · Apr 23, 2020

"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
1 Corinthians 8:16

Sadly, the church of Christ is divided by this doctrine. Brothers, if you don't study scripture, then you risk being tossed to and fro by all sorts of answers found in the internet. At a minimum, we Christians should read the new testament, that there be no divisions among ourselves, but that we may all be of one mind, one judgement.

CS1 · Apr 23, 2020

biker said:

Tertullian was not the first word maybe so the concept of Godhead not at all.

WE do not need Tertullian to see the Triune God of the Bible who is Three yet One.

The one thing you do not know nor do I or anyone else for that matter is the Full Nature of God.

man is limited in his ability to comprehend ALL of GOD. We are given enough for:

1. righteous living
2. appropriate worship

We must approach the Godhead reverently and humbly. The concept of the Trinity is in the word of God even if the word" trinity" is not.

CS1 · Apr 23, 2020

ourforgiveness-com said:

The understanding of the Godhead is in the word of God and one must be careful in speaking about the Deity of Christ and The Holy Spirit from unbiblical or from a human reasoning perspective. God the Father is established in Scripture by Lord Jesus.

The Christ, the Son of the living God is eternal and uncreated being, making HIM God also. The Holy Spirit has personification and seen in scripture moving, speaking, and empowering " Knows the mind of God " therefore is God.

Do you understand that? No, you do not and no one fully does.

Nehemiah6 · Apr 23, 2020

tantalon said:

The words were uttered by the Word of God -- the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1)

10 And, Thou, Lord [JESUS], in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. (Hebrews 1 with reference to the Son)

While the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit were all involved in creation (Genesis 1), we can see in the New Testament that it was the Word (the Son) who was designated to be the Creator.

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