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EleventhHour
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Tell me where I am wrong.
We do not save ourselves.
Jesus clearly laid it out to Nicodemus, why is it all you who preach "salvation by self" do not want to deal with that passage?
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Tell me where I am wrong.
We do not save ourselves.
Jesus clearly laid it out to Nicodemus, why is it all you who preach "salvation by self" do not want to deal with that passage?
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Remember, if you’re not driving EXACTLY 25mph in a 25mph zone, you are guilty of sinning.
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If any person dies in unbelief they will not enter into the kingdom.
You are presuming that 'saved' means by definition 'always saved'.
The Bible speaks very, very clearly about holding fast to the word to the very end.
Simple observation shows us that the narrow way is indeed the walk that Jesus walked, not simply confessing faith in Christ and being saved. There in Matthew He had just got done describing the narrow way that very few people find.
The Bible speaks very, very clearly about God not losing a single one who belongs to Him. How is it you can be saved at one point in your life and not belong to God?
Works salvation ^^^^ yet you insist you don’t push works being needed for salvation.
Actually, I don't think that, that's why I answered the way I did the first time.
What we can be is the instrument through which a person is led into the damnation that they invariable would have wound up in anyway.
I personally don't believe that God let's 'soil' that would have produced the fruit of the gospel in believing be lost simply because the potential of that soil was never realized through the failure of his earthly servants.
The problem is you aren't defining the ability of Jesus to keep His own according to how the Bible defines that.
People aren't lost because Jesus fumbled in His heavenly ministry (like the fumbling, ineffectual priestly ministry of the old system). They are lost because they chose not to continue to avail themselves of the perfect and effectual ministry of Christ. See the diff?
No.
Walking the narrow path doesn't save you.
Walking the narrow path shows that 1) you are indeed saved, and 2) you have matured in the faith.
Very few arrive at this place of maturity. Simple observation proves this, IMO.
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G2RBeliever
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It IS truly through Him,and only Him that we have been redeemed.
No argument ,it is not in us to save ourselves!
You do not really understand some of the post you read.
Both of you are correct,don't be blinded by bias for someone's belief that may slightly differ from yours.
We ALL are trying to be what Jesus wants ,some are more behind or further along the path.
We ALL love Him!
Ultimately, in the end, works are necessary, not for the purpose of earning salvation, but because no works is the signature of no faith. In the end, works-less faith is not saving faith, because the faith that does not work is not the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works.
Paul was very clear about this. He said the faith that, all by itself, counts toward justification is the faith that expresses itself in love, which is the summation of all good works (Galatians 5:6). In the end, the faith that does not express itself in obedience to God is not the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works. Even Luther made this very clear.
I was in the service and had concerns about the possibility of having to kill non-Christians. I was concerned because what if I killed a nonbeliever but had they lived one more day they may have come to Christ.
One of my shipmates referred me to Romans 8 that nothing can separate us from the love of God. It brought me peace in that should such a scenario had taken place, God’s omniscience would prevail.
Paul was very clear that our works account for nothing, and that God is faithful even when we are not faithful.
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eternally-gratefull
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So, just to be clear, works aren't needed to be saved because they somehow earn salvation, but because works are the footsteps of saving faith. The fact that the real believer is a new creation dictates that real salvation be accompanied by the works of a new creation. No works, in the end, means no new creation.