Closing the Gap in Dispensationalism

[Diakonos]

He hardens their hearts using positive commands.

He reinforces our own choices. Pharaoh hardened his own heart....then God did the same.
If you walk away from God, He will let you. But "IF you draw near to God, He will draw near to you"

 

[Dave-L]

In other words, to you, God is The Great Puppetmaster controlling everything. Any sense of choice or free will is an illusion. The universe is God's game table and we're all pieces that He moves around according to His whims.

Calvinism is a horrible disease that denigrates both God and His creation.

I would rather be God's robot so he can form Christ in me through the experiences he planned for me. Than Satan's toy leading me into one false doctrine after the other so I cannot be free.

 

[Diakonos]

I would rather be God's robot so he can form Christ in me through the experiences he planned for me. Than Satan's toy leading me into one false doctrine after the other so I cannot be free.

what you'd "rather be" is irrelevant. The Bible dictates what is true

 

[Dave-L]

He reinforces our own choices. Pharaoh hardened his own heart....then God did the same.
If you walk away from God, He will let you. But "IF you draw near to God, He will draw near to you"

God hardened Pharaoh's heart originally giving him an attitude that also hardened his heart. How about Adam? He did exactly opposite from what God said?

 

[Dave-L]

what you'd "rather be" is irrelevant. The Bible dictates what is true

But God works in people to will and do his good pleasure.

 

[Diakonos]

Nobody chooses apart from having a reason to base their choices on

This part is true. God gives us 2 choices. Heaven or Hell. And we get to chose.

 

[Washed]

I would rather be God's robot so he can form Christ in me through the experiences he planned for me. Than Satan's toy leading me into one false doctrine after the other so I cannot be free.

And yet that's where you are. Trapped in the false doctrine of Calvinism and not free.

 

[Diakonos]

But God works in people to will and do his good pleasure.

Yes, but "working in" is not synonymous with total control.

 

[Diakonos]

When I give someone advise, that logic and reasoning is working in them, but it doesn't force them to change their mind, it is simply an influence, like the wind pushing someone in a general direction. The Holy Spirit is the Holy Wind. He pushes us, draws us, leads us. But we are certainly not puppets without a will

 

[Dave-L]

Yes, but "working in" is not synonymous with total control.

We choose precisely what God wants based on the reasons he places before us.

 

[Washed]

We choose precisely what God wants based on the reasons he places before us.

When you choose to sin, you blame it on God?

 

[Dave-L]

And yet that's where you are. Trapped in the false doctrine of Calvinism and not free.

So, you hate God and worship idols if Calvin is right?

 

[Dave-L]

This part is true. God gives us 2 choices. Heaven or Hell. And we get to chose.

People only choose hell unless God gives us a new heart.

 

[Dave-L]

When you choose to sin, you blame it on God?

He punishes sin with sin.

 

[Washed]

People only choose hell unless God gives us a new heart.

This is a lie. The unsaved can choose to believe the Gospel and become saved.

So, you hate God and worship idols if Calvin is right?

One day you'll know without a doubt that Calvin was dead wrong.

 

[Dave-L]

This is a lie. The unsaved can choose to believe the Gospel and become saved.


One day you'll know without a doubt that Calvin was dead wrong.

They think the gospel is foolish.

 

[Washed]

He punishes sin with sin.

But you claim God makes you sin. God punishes you for doing something He made you do?

...and where does the Bible say that God punishes sin with sin?

 

[Washed]

They think the gospel is foolish.

Not all of them.

 

[Dave-L]

But you claim God makes you sin. God punishes you for doing something He made you do?

...and where does the Bible say that God punishes sin with sin?

God punishes sinners with more sin.

 

[Dave-L]

Not all of them.

Paul says they cannot understand unless God gives them the ability to.