This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

[PennEd]

You come home from a foreign country you stay home for 14 days during a pandemic
That is a law on the books for years.
The act is a temporary measure, been used before and interestingly enough is seems people were more law abiding back then.

Can we be rational here.

People were not staying home.
Governments are stupid and people are just as stupid... I take a balanced approach.

Sure someone comes back from China and they run around and everything and what was accomplished will be quickly undone that makes sense.

Unless you support herd immunity with a novel virus?

and @jb was right @Moses_Young post was way out there and not even grounded in any kind of reality.

I support freedom.

How on earth anyone can support 3 yr imprisonment, million dollar fine, while they are simultaneously releasing really bad criminals and even pedophiles is beyond my comprehension.

 

[EleventhHour]

I support freedom.

How on earth anyone can support 3 yr imprisonment, million dollar fine, while they are simultaneously releasing really bad criminals and even pedophiles is beyond my comprehension.

I did not state I supported it.

"I support freedom" .. not sure what that means in a real world sense ... but okay.

Not sure how that applies during a epidemic, unless is all fake and people are not really dying,

No point going on we will see where it all lands when this is done.

 

[EleventhHour]

how about this- real numbers.

the media is hyping how our death rate is past Italy's , yet they fail to mention how we have almost four times as many cases as Italy has.

in my state, ( ga) there are over 400 deaths being counted as virus deaths, yet the vast majority is people over 70, with other conditions,

only about 15-20 healthy people have died from the virus in my state.

let me be clear- the virus is not a hoax, it is very real.

but, it is very clear who is at risk the most.

so, what I would say is this- make every effort possible to protect those the most at risk, then let the rest of us low-risk folks get back to work.

and, I do have doubts about the very contagious thing.

the navy ship that is in the news had 4,000 sailors on it, only about 600 tested positive for the virus.

85% of a SHIP not being infected does not say " spreads like wildfire" to me...

Hind sight is 20 - 20

I cannot help it that people listen to mass media and believe it...

It is a damn shame that USA has become so dumbed down and polarized... really tragic

People rely on conspiracy theories from evil men as a source of truth, more tragedy.

Tragic that years ago Bush Jr. warned this was coming and called for preparation and that did not happen either.

Another damn shame that Chinese Communist Party has been able to take advantage of the USA's multi faceted weaknesses once again.

Any way done with this topic.

 

[Lanolin]

sorry sounds like you cant trust your govt or any govt in US. It will be interesting to see if anarchy prevails and the americans rebel (yet again) but as they say, united we stand, divided we fall. There are deep divisions in US already and this will only exacerbate it.

as long as the US then dont decide to hurt the other nations with thoughtless draconian measures.

 

[gb9]

I can play the thumbs down and red x game with the best of them! You agree with Canada imprisoning people for 3 yrs, and fining them up to a million dollars for breaking quarantine?

What the heck is wrong with you 11?

people cannot grasp that multiple things can be true about the same thing without cancelling each other out.

virus is real. true.

virus is contagious. true.

virus can be very bad to older people who are not in good health. true.

some younger , healthier people have got sick and died. true.

the virus is overhyped by the media. true.

the death rates are being over inflated. . true.

the government is raging out of control and squashing rights. true.

how contagious the virus is , is a debatable topic. true.


just wish others can see this.

 

[EleventhHour]

people cannot grasp that multiple things can be true about the same thing without cancelling each other out.

virus is real. true.

virus is contagious. true.

virus can be very bad to older people who are not in good health. true.

some younger , healthier people have got sick and died. true.

the virus is overhyped by the media. true.

the death rates are being over inflated. . true.

the government is raging out of control and squashing rights. true.

how contagious the virus is , is a debatable topic. true.


just wish others can see this.

I am not one of those people.

 

[Nehemiah6]

the death rates are being over inflated. . true.

This hoax is being perpetrated to destroy economies. Also the death rate AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL POPULATION is not being presented which would mae the death rate in the US about the lowest. At the same time doctors are being told TO FUDGE their death certificates in order to over-inflate deaths due to COVID-19. Furthermore there is no truth to the number of deaths and infections in China, Russia, North Korea etc. since their governments have been committed to DISINFORMATION and MISINFORMATION. Therefore the USA does not have the highest number of deaths.

Add to that the evil agenda of Bill Gates, Drs Birx and Fauci, and the IHME bogus projections, which have ALL BEEN REVISED. But the whole idea was to create panic while fear-mongering on a daily basis. No one know who are the agents of China in all of this.

the government is raging out of control and squashing rights. true.

Now you have hit the nail on the head. This is the real agenda. The mayor and city of Louisville, Kentucky needed a Temporary Restraining Order from the District Court in order to prevent them from interfering Easter services and violating the rights of Christians to worship. But another city in Kentucky had 50 vehicles ticketed for attending a church service, while liquor stores, etc. remain open. And then someone maliciously scattered nails on their driveway. All over the USA the Democratic governors and officials are having a heyday in attacking liberties and the economy -- even preventing people from purchasing seeds in Michigan.

 

[PennEd]

There was a Big rally on the Capitol steps of Ohio today. I saw on someones watch party. I don't live there. But I saw many mothers with children and babies, I saw teens, I saw older people. Couldn't put a number on them, but seemed like a lot. People are fed up and angry at the dictatorial edicts that are coming from OUR elected officials. They are RIGHTLY angry that our Constitution is being trashed.

I understand there is going to be a similar rally in Michigan tomorrow I think. In Michigan, the tyrannical Governor has said people arent even allowed to visit their relatives. I'd urge anybody who could, to go and support the people willing to stand up for freedom.

I'm also hearing about massive pushback against Bill Gates and his evil plan.

https://newspunch.com/bill-gates-in...h9ilUyRitHbumZ078ZYiIwf8e29COIJK95OdN5bdPwwHE


We all have a responsibility to speak up. My father, and millions of other fathers and mothers didn't get injured or killed fighting socialist/fascist dictators, the past 100 yrs for us to sit idly by and see their sacrifices wasted.

Let YOUR voice be heard! Don't go quietly in the night!

 

[Absolutely]

 

[bojack]

Thanx

Interesting video if you like ''Q''

 

[Gregoryp]

Check this out, please. And thanks to EH for indavertently sending me down this rabbitt hole:

Italy - Population 60 million - 19,468 dead
Canada - 38.5 million - 653 dead

Singapore - 5.6 million - 8 dead
Malaysia - 31.5 million - 73 dead
Japan - 126.5 million - 108 dead
Taiwan - 23.8 million - 6 dead
India - 1.4 billion - 289 dead

Does something seem amiss? Over 20,000 dead in just two countries with less than 100 million total population....and in 5 others with populations totalling about 1.6 Bilion not even 500. It seems reasonable to me to think those of asian background may be less susceptible to Covid-19 than other populations. Maybe S. Korea's low totals aren't because of more compliant populations, maybe there's a genetic reason.

When drug companies conduct clinical trials they endeavor to recruit as diverse a patient population as possible because of genetic differences....both for efficacy and side effects.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

 

[Gregoryp]

so pleased to see so many awoken people here. When this nonsense started I knew something wasn't right . The over reaction particularly really concerned me, then to see the economy destroyed almost overnight was alarming to say the least. This lead me to a journey to find the truth, and oh boy, is there a lot of verifiable truth out there

 

[EleventhHour]

the world of fantasy is thinking that ALL the government players are working for our good and not taking advantage of this situation to push things like vaccines on the masses while the media is terrifying them 24/7.

I like you, I think you are solid, nice Christian lady, but you need to open your eyes to what is being pushed during this time.

I heard one of the c.d.c. guys, I forget which one say " we expected a 50% following of our recommendations , but we think it is about 90%"

that should scare the pants off us. now they know, whip up a virus scare, and the sheep fall right in line...

You know that 21 million cell phone accounts were closed in China

https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-hiding-covid-19-death-toll-21-million-cell-phones-disappeared-why-41580

I wonder where all those people went.

You know there is evidence the mortality was far higher and the reason being because so many had been exposed to SARS years before and therefore this new SARS virus was more virulent to them.

So maybe things are looking better than expected right now, but we have no idea what effect this bio-engineered virus is going to do in the months and years ahead.

This is not a regular influenza virus.

 

[Kojikun]

people cannot grasp that multiple things can be true about the same thing without cancelling each other out.

virus is real. true.

virus is contagious. true.

virus can be very bad to older people who are not in good health. true.

some younger , healthier people have got sick and died. true.

the virus is overhyped by the media. true.

the death rates are being over inflated. . true.

the government is raging out of control and squashing rights. true.

how contagious the virus is , is a debatable topic. true.


just wish others can see this.

This country is so incredibly biased. It's either the left is always truthful and the right is always wrong or vice versa. Sometimes both are wrong sometimes they both get it right sometimes one gets it an the other doesn't. Every source of news should be taken with a grain of salt until further proven. There is no middle ground anymore.

 

[jb]

In the world I live in worship at church is banned...I cannot get on a plane or travel, or even leave my province, every financial pro is saying the economy is going to crash, worse than the financial crisis of 2008/2009....

You consider these realities to be part of some fantasy world??? Its my world....and there's nothing fanciful about it.

Gatherings of people and travel are banned, along with the other temporary restrictions for a specific reason, to stop the spread of disease!

Look beyond the end of your nose if possible, and see reality instead of whining and moaning over restrictions put in place to protect YOU!

Also, may I remind you of Rom 13v1-7.

 

[PennEd]

There was a Big rally on the Capitol steps of Ohio today. I saw on someones watch party. I don't live there. But I saw many mothers with children and babies, I saw teens, I saw older people. Couldn't put a number on them, but seemed like a lot. People are fed up and angry at the dictatorial edicts that are coming from OUR elected officials. They are RIGHTLY angry that our Constitution is being trashed.

I understand there is going to be a similar rally in Michigan tomorrow I think. In Michigan, the tyrannical Governor has said people arent even allowed to visit their relatives. I'd urge anybody who could, to go and support the people willing to stand up for freedom.

I'm also hearing about massive pushback against Bill Gates and his evil plan.

https://newspunch.com/bill-gates-in...h9ilUyRitHbumZ078ZYiIwf8e29COIJK95OdN5bdPwwHE


We all have a responsibility to speak up. My father, and millions of other fathers and mothers didn't get injured or killed fighting socialist/fascist dictators, the past 100 yrs for us to sit idly by and see their sacrifices wasted.

Let YOUR voice be heard! Don't go quietly in the night!

What an awesome quote by one of the Michigan organizers:
“Quarantine is when you restrict movement of sick people. Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people,” Meshawn Maddock, an organizer of the protest


I WANT that as a giant sign!


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders-protests-economy

 

[GaryA]

"I support freedom" .. not sure what that means in a real world sense ... but okay.

Not sure how that applies during a epidemic, unless is all fake and people are not really dying,

'freedom' applies all the time in every situation...

 

[kaylagrl]

so pleased to see so many awoken people here. When this nonsense started I knew something wasn't right . The over reaction particularly really concerned me, then to see the economy destroyed almost overnight was alarming to say the least. This lead me to a journey to find the truth, and oh boy, is there a lot of verifiable truth out there

Credible and unbiased truth?! I'd like to see that...

 

[bojack]

This country is so incredibly biased. It's either the left is always truthful and the right is always wrong or vice versa. Sometimes both are wrong sometimes they both get it right sometimes one gets it an the other doesn't. Every source of news should be taken with a grain of salt until further proven. There is no middle ground anymore.

We should bring back lawful public dueling with pistols .. Professional news folks who have the publics ear should be held accountable for what they say and why ..

 

[gb9]

What an awesome quote by one of the Michigan organizers:
“Quarantine is when you restrict movement of sick people. Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people,” Meshawn Maddock, an organizer of the protest


I WANT that as a giant sign!


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders-protests-economy

as I said, the virus is real.

but it is the delivery system. the fear is the weapon.

v for vendetta !!