Catholicism vs Protestantism
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A great topic. I wish I didn't have to keep things this short, but the why of things will have to be held off for later.
Mainly on the question of justification and authority. They differ because of sin and Satanic deception.
No. Our religions teach very different things on the topic of salvation. While each can enjoy each other's company, appreciate the other's historical contributions, and revel in mutual opposition to the worst elements of Western culture, the difference is an extremely wide gulf.
In essentials, unity.
In non-essentials, liberty.
In all things, charity.
Mainly on the question of justification and authority. They differ because of sin and Satanic deception.
No. Our religions teach very different things on the topic of salvation. While each can enjoy each other's company, appreciate the other's historical contributions, and revel in mutual opposition to the worst elements of Western culture, the difference is an extremely wide gulf.
In essentials, unity.
In non-essentials, liberty.
In all things, charity.
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True!
1 Corinthians 12: 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit.
Beyond that, there are different views about authority structures.
Catholics say that there is a single authority structure made up of elders and overseers (priests and bishops), with the Pope being the leader of the overseers.
Eastern Orthodox, I think, also have elders and overseers, but the structure basically ends at the national Church level, with the overseer of Constantinople being the "first among equals".
Some Protestants end the authority structure with the denomination, such as Presbyterian or Methodist. Others limit the structure to the local congregation, still others acknowledge no authority structure, every individual is on their own.
1 Corinthians 12: 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit.
Beyond that, there are different views about authority structures.
Catholics say that there is a single authority structure made up of elders and overseers (priests and bishops), with the Pope being the leader of the overseers.
Eastern Orthodox, I think, also have elders and overseers, but the structure basically ends at the national Church level, with the overseer of Constantinople being the "first among equals".
Some Protestants end the authority structure with the denomination, such as Presbyterian or Methodist. Others limit the structure to the local congregation, still others acknowledge no authority structure, every individual is on their own.
Definitely! I believe the body is composed of all those who believe the good news
1 Corinthians 15: 1 Now I declare to you, brothers, the Good News which I preached to you, which also you received, in which you also stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold firmly the word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.
If I understand right, the Catholic teaching is in practice not too different. They say that the body of Christ is composed of all those who have had a trinitarian baptism.
1 Corinthians 15: 1 Now I declare to you, brothers, the Good News which I preached to you, which also you received, in which you also stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold firmly the word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.
If I understand right, the Catholic teaching is in practice not too different. They say that the body of Christ is composed of all those who have had a trinitarian baptism.
Which nation is he not father of?
Abraham was visible, and you can see today the Nation (singular) family that he fathered. That is if a person could trace the genealogy of a Jew even 10 generations .The genealogy of the seed, the "born again generation of Christ" ended with the Son of man Jesus . the true representative of the unseen seed that works in us said "it is finished" prophesying the will of the father. . .
Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
his brethren; = sons of God of who we are but not revealed what we will be as the bride
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.1 John 3:2
In that way I think we are to concern ourselves with two generations. The generation of Christ, the generation of new creatures and the generation of Adam spoken of the evil generation, men with no faith that could please a God who wrote the letter of His law with his finger (will)
The fulfillment of the generation of Christ was when Jesus said it is finished. It began the period of the last days called a thousands years in Revelation 20 signaling the time of reformation had come.. One like never before or ever again .A terrible tribulation to a outward Jew, a jubilation like never before to the whole world.
Abraham's fleshly seed was not frozen and put into a sperm bank. That DNA died when he took his last breath. Abraham a metaphor used to represent our father in heaven not seen. He in Mathew commands to call no man like Abraham of earth father .Abraham father of all nations to include the Jewish. . . . not Abram the father of one family.
Abraham to represent the unseen holy place of God. It is used in multiple parables to give the unseen father of all nations the unseen credit for passing on the spiritual seed "Christ" the anointing Holy Spirit of God . Not the spiritless corrupted seed Abram.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Abraham was visible, and you can see today the Nation (singular) family that he fathered. That is if a person could trace the genealogy of a Jew even 10 generations .The genealogy of the seed, the "born again generation of Christ" ended with the Son of man Jesus . the true representative of the unseen seed that works in us said "it is finished" prophesying the will of the father. . .
Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
his brethren; = sons of God of who we are but not revealed what we will be as the bride
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.1 John 3:2
In that way I think we are to concern ourselves with two generations. The generation of Christ, the generation of new creatures and the generation of Adam spoken of the evil generation, men with no faith that could please a God who wrote the letter of His law with his finger (will)
The fulfillment of the generation of Christ was when Jesus said it is finished. It began the period of the last days called a thousands years in Revelation 20 signaling the time of reformation had come.. One like never before or ever again .A terrible tribulation to a outward Jew, a jubilation like never before to the whole world.
Abraham's fleshly seed was not frozen and put into a sperm bank. That DNA died when he took his last breath. Abraham a metaphor used to represent our father in heaven not seen. He in Mathew commands to call no man like Abraham of earth father .Abraham father of all nations to include the Jewish. . . . not Abram the father of one family.
Abraham to represent the unseen holy place of God. It is used in multiple parables to give the unseen father of all nations the unseen credit for passing on the spiritual seed "Christ" the anointing Holy Spirit of God . Not the spiritless corrupted seed Abram.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
There's quite a lot here for me to digest, I'm not sure if I get all of it.
If I understand you correctly, you're saying you don't agree with praying to Saints and you believe in the sufficiency of Scripture alone.
I have a Roman Catholic background, but I started attending a non denominational bible based Church where the elders try to model the Church on the early apostolic Church. So it's very different from the RCC, where my priest never encouraged me to study the Bible. He said it was his duty to explain the scriptures to us and if the congregation started to study in private, we would all arrive at different conclusions and it would cause division in the Church.
Most people stick to the denomination they were born into, for the sake of harmony. I had no idea how much opposition I would face from my family, friends, relatives and work colleges. They say I've been brainwashed, but the more I study the Bible the more everything makes sense. Christ did say that He didn't come to bring peace into the world, but He came as a sword to divide families.
The parish priest gave me a book about the mainline denominations, it gives a brief history of each one and explains how they started. It was interesting to see that each denomination was founded by a man, except for the RCC which was supposedly founded or started by Christ Himself.
My family thought that the book would wake me up and make me come back to the mother Church, but they were shocked when I refused. My dad took my NKJV Bible to the priest, and he took it and gave my dad a "Good News Bible" as an authorized replacement. I have since purchased another NKJV and I have no plans of returning to the mother Church.
I believe that there are saved people in every denomination, my reasoning is that God deals with individuals. So we're not saved because we belong to a specific denomination.
If I understand you correctly, you're saying you don't agree with praying to Saints and you believe in the sufficiency of Scripture alone.
I have a Roman Catholic background, but I started attending a non denominational bible based Church where the elders try to model the Church on the early apostolic Church. So it's very different from the RCC, where my priest never encouraged me to study the Bible. He said it was his duty to explain the scriptures to us and if the congregation started to study in private, we would all arrive at different conclusions and it would cause division in the Church.
Most people stick to the denomination they were born into, for the sake of harmony. I had no idea how much opposition I would face from my family, friends, relatives and work colleges. They say I've been brainwashed, but the more I study the Bible the more everything makes sense. Christ did say that He didn't come to bring peace into the world, but He came as a sword to divide families.
The parish priest gave me a book about the mainline denominations, it gives a brief history of each one and explains how they started. It was interesting to see that each denomination was founded by a man, except for the RCC which was supposedly founded or started by Christ Himself.
My family thought that the book would wake me up and make me come back to the mother Church, but they were shocked when I refused. My dad took my NKJV Bible to the priest, and he took it and gave my dad a "Good News Bible" as an authorized replacement. I have since purchased another NKJV and I have no plans of returning to the mother Church.
I believe that there are saved people in every denomination, my reasoning is that God deals with individuals. So we're not saved because we belong to a specific denomination.
Yep I heard Catholic believe Jesus only establish one church and that is rcc, that mean other church is not Christ church, but now they seem to change their mind they start promote one world religion, to make every body accept that concept, they say as long as you believe trinity, that to make Protestant happy, than to make Jews happy, they say Judaism is not other religion, and to make Islam happy they say Islam is include in the plan of salvation and Islam adore or share the same god with catholic
All of this is not honest, they do it to prepare one world religion, to support one world government
The end game is one world government, that antichrist government
All of this is not honest, they do it to prepare one world religion, to support one world government
The end game is one world government, that antichrist government
I find it very difficult to share the Gospel with my family, relatives and friends. Because they're mostly Roman Catholics, who think that I'm trying to be 'holier than thou'.
They remember my life before my conversion, and say things like - you were rebellious towards your parents, you were a drug addict, fornicator, who took advantage of many girls and then dumped them, did crime, violence and many other anti social activities. And now you think you can just put all that behind you and preach to us!
The main problem I find is, everyone has lived a much cleaner life than me. So they say things like, 'I'm happy for you, whatever works for you'. Just keep your new religion to yourself, I don't need it I have my own. They look down their nose at me, so I'm at a disadvantage because my old life.
They remember my life before my conversion, and say things like - you were rebellious towards your parents, you were a drug addict, fornicator, who took advantage of many girls and then dumped them, did crime, violence and many other anti social activities. And now you think you can just put all that behind you and preach to us!
The main problem I find is, everyone has lived a much cleaner life than me. So they say things like, 'I'm happy for you, whatever works for you'. Just keep your new religion to yourself, I don't need it I have my own. They look down their nose at me, so I'm at a disadvantage because my old life.
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Yes, terminology can be difficult. I think Catholics say that everyone with a trinitarian baptism is part of the church. That would include nearly all Protestants. And there is only one Church. And church is synonymous with Body of Christ.
The Catholics would go on to say that the Catholic hierarchy is the visible instrument that God uses to lead the church, the body of Christ.
Your description of the details of salvation is based, I think, on your belief that God reveals his truth to each person individually through his holy spirit as they read the Bible.
You might be interested to know that that is actually my position too, if I have to pick one. However, I have not been able to find that position stated in the Bible.
Are you willing to consider with me the possibility that maybe, just maybe, God reveals his truth to a group?
The Catholics would go on to say that the Catholic hierarchy is the visible instrument that God uses to lead the church, the body of Christ.
Your description of the details of salvation is based, I think, on your belief that God reveals his truth to each person individually through his holy spirit as they read the Bible.
You might be interested to know that that is actually my position too, if I have to pick one. However, I have not been able to find that position stated in the Bible.
Are you willing to consider with me the possibility that maybe, just maybe, God reveals his truth to a group?
This current pope seems to be more progressive, than his predecessors. He is trying to unite all the religions, so they can all work together to bring about world peace. I don't know if he has ulterior motives, but I've heard many people say what you've said.
It does look like we will have a one world government soon, but I can't figure out how they will organize it and who will lead it.
It does look like we will have a one world government soon, but I can't figure out how they will organize it and who will lead it.
I believe God did reveal His truth to His chosen people under the old covenant, but I believe He doesn't do that under the new covenant.
I'm not really sure on where the Jews currently stand, my limited understanding tells me that they are still His chosen people but He has blinded them until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled.
I'm not really sure on where the Jews currently stand, my limited understanding tells me that they are still His chosen people but He has blinded them until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled.