This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?
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Its hardly secret knowledge....its widely known and reported, but there are still people unaware.
Its time to follow Sweden's example. Shuttering people in their homes and closing small business while allowing Amazon fulfillment centers to remain open with thousands of employees going in and out 7 days a week is the very definition of futility....creating the illusion that something is being done, and given the way the outbreak is spreading....obviously having no effect. Yeah, maybe we can keep coronavirus out of a Hospice somewhere, allowing the residents in these places to live out their last days without contracting covid-19....but maybe we can do that anyway through isolation measures....lifting the lockdown that is devasting the lives of millions in the United States and all over the world.
Obviously these measures aren't working, except in driving small businesses into bankruptcy....then again, maybe that was the intent.
Its time to follow Sweden's example. Shuttering people in their homes and closing small business while allowing Amazon fulfillment centers to remain open with thousands of employees going in and out 7 days a week is the very definition of futility....creating the illusion that something is being done, and given the way the outbreak is spreading....obviously having no effect. Yeah, maybe we can keep coronavirus out of a Hospice somewhere, allowing the residents in these places to live out their last days without contracting covid-19....but maybe we can do that anyway through isolation measures....lifting the lockdown that is devasting the lives of millions in the United States and all over the world.
Obviously these measures aren't working, except in driving small businesses into bankruptcy....then again, maybe that was the intent.
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Oh sure ....9% fatality rate of those infected .. that is an example to follow
That 9% could be 9 people - in a population of over 10 million.
If you are going to quote statistics, then quote ALL relevant statistics:
number of deaths
number of survivors
number of known infected
number of entire population
You get the idea...
And, because you have [virtually] "beat everyone over the head with it" so much - quite frankly - every time you post the smallest statistic without also disclosing the specific-and-particular source(s) where you got it - you reduce your credibility by that much more.
"Just sayin'..."
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WAAAAAY more representative of the actual rate. They examined a pop to see who had it, NOT just who went to the Drs, Hospital or were even reported to have it. I'm curious as to why it seems you WANT the percentage to be higher? It's ok sometimes to admit we were wrong. Believe me, my wife tells me I'm wrong all the time, and they I have to admit it! LOl LESS THAN .037%! THAT, should be good news!
Preliminary German Study Shows a COVID-19 Infection Fatality Rate of About 0.4 Percent
Good news from a population screening study
RONALD BAILEY | 4.9.2020 3:05 PM
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Preliminary results are out from a COVID-19 case cluster study in one of the regions worst hit by Germany's coronavirus epidemic. They are somewhat reassuring.
One often-heard statistic is the "case fatality rate"—that is, the percentage of people diagnosed with a disease who will die of it. This afternoon that figure stands at 3.5 percent for COVID-19 in the U.S., but this rate is significantly inflated because it does not count asymptomatic cases or undiagnosed people who recover at home. What we really need to know is the infection fatality rate: the percentage of all the people infected who eventually die of the disease. That's what the German study attempts to do.
Over the last two weeks, German virologists tested nearly 80 percent of the population of Gangelt for antibodies that indicate whether they'd been infected by the coronavirus. Around 15 percent had been infected, allowing them to calculate a COVID-19 infection fatality rate of about 0.37 percent. The researchers also concluded that people who recover from the infection are immune to reinfection, at least for a while.
The German researchers caution that it would be wrong to extrapolate these regional results to the whole country. But they also believe these findings show that lockdowns can begin to be lifted, as long as people maintain high levels of hygiene to keep COVID-19 under control.
Preliminary German Study Shows a COVID-19 Infection Fatality Rate of About 0.4 Percent
Good news from a population screening study
RONALD BAILEY | 4.9.2020 3:05 PM
(Andrianocz | Dreamstime.com)
Preliminary results are out from a COVID-19 case cluster study in one of the regions worst hit by Germany's coronavirus epidemic. They are somewhat reassuring.
One often-heard statistic is the "case fatality rate"—that is, the percentage of people diagnosed with a disease who will die of it. This afternoon that figure stands at 3.5 percent for COVID-19 in the U.S., but this rate is significantly inflated because it does not count asymptomatic cases or undiagnosed people who recover at home. What we really need to know is the infection fatality rate: the percentage of all the people infected who eventually die of the disease. That's what the German study attempts to do.
Over the last two weeks, German virologists tested nearly 80 percent of the population of Gangelt for antibodies that indicate whether they'd been infected by the coronavirus. Around 15 percent had been infected, allowing them to calculate a COVID-19 infection fatality rate of about 0.37 percent. The researchers also concluded that people who recover from the infection are immune to reinfection, at least for a while.
For comparison, the U.S. infection fatality rates for the 1957–58 flu epidemic was around 0.27 percent; for the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic, it was about 2.6 percent. For seasonal flu, the rate typically averages around 0.1 percent. Basically, the German researchers found that the coronavirus kills about four times as many infected people than seasonal flu viruses do.The German researchers caution that it would be wrong to extrapolate these regional results to the whole country. But they also believe these findings show that lockdowns can begin to be lifted, as long as people maintain high levels of hygiene to keep COVID-19 under control.
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WAAAAAY more representative of the actual rate. They examined a pop to see who had it, NOT just who went to the Drs, Hospital or were even reported to have it. I'm curious as to why it seems you WANT the percentage to be higher? It's ok sometimes to admit we were wrong. Believe me, my wife tells me I'm wrong all the time, and they I have to admit it! LOl LESS THAN .037%! THAT, should be good news!
Preliminary German Study Shows a COVID-19 Infection Fatality Rate of About 0.4 Percent
Good news from a population screening study
RONALD BAILEY | 4.9.2020 3:05 PM
(Andrianocz | Dreamstime.com)
Preliminary results are out from a COVID-19 case cluster study in one of the regions worst hit by Germany's coronavirus epidemic. They are somewhat reassuring.
One often-heard statistic is the "case fatality rate"—that is, the percentage of people diagnosed with a disease who will die of it. This afternoon that figure stands at 3.5 percent for COVID-19 in the U.S., but this rate is significantly inflated because it does not count asymptomatic cases or undiagnosed people who recover at home. What we really need to know is the infection fatality rate: the percentage of all the people infected who eventually die of the disease. That's what the German study attempts to do.
Over the last two weeks, German virologists tested nearly 80 percent of the population of Gangelt for antibodies that indicate whether they'd been infected by the coronavirus. Around 15 percent had been infected, allowing them to calculate a COVID-19 infection fatality rate of about 0.37 percent. The researchers also concluded that people who recover from the infection are immune to reinfection, at least for a while.
The German researchers caution that it would be wrong to extrapolate these regional results to the whole country. But they also believe these findings show that lockdowns can begin to be lifted, as long as people maintain high levels of hygiene to keep COVID-19 under control.
Preliminary German Study Shows a COVID-19 Infection Fatality Rate of About 0.4 Percent
Good news from a population screening study
RONALD BAILEY | 4.9.2020 3:05 PM
(Andrianocz | Dreamstime.com)
Preliminary results are out from a COVID-19 case cluster study in one of the regions worst hit by Germany's coronavirus epidemic. They are somewhat reassuring.
One often-heard statistic is the "case fatality rate"—that is, the percentage of people diagnosed with a disease who will die of it. This afternoon that figure stands at 3.5 percent for COVID-19 in the U.S., but this rate is significantly inflated because it does not count asymptomatic cases or undiagnosed people who recover at home. What we really need to know is the infection fatality rate: the percentage of all the people infected who eventually die of the disease. That's what the German study attempts to do.
Over the last two weeks, German virologists tested nearly 80 percent of the population of Gangelt for antibodies that indicate whether they'd been infected by the coronavirus. Around 15 percent had been infected, allowing them to calculate a COVID-19 infection fatality rate of about 0.37 percent. The researchers also concluded that people who recover from the infection are immune to reinfection, at least for a while.
For comparison, the U.S. infection fatality rates for the 1957–58 flu epidemic was around 0.27 percent; for the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic, it was about 2.6 percent. For seasonal flu, the rate typically averages around 0.1 percent. Basically, the German researchers found that the coronavirus kills about four times as many infected people than seasonal flu viruses do.The German researchers caution that it would be wrong to extrapolate these regional results to the whole country. But they also believe these findings show that lockdowns can begin to be lifted, as long as people maintain high levels of hygiene to keep COVID-19 under control.
My point is that comparing case fatality rate with countries that implemented lock down measures Sweden is higher.
Is this study with a health care system meeting demand or not?
Deaths are higher when the system is over run... all this has to be disclosed.
I have always stated this is a complicated mess... and the true numbers will not be known until this first wave is over.
There are so many variables , one has to look at the assumptions made in the study.
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