Not By Works
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My post was due to the above posters response regarding why Jesus had to fulfill the law (eleventh hourś question)...I wanted him to see that JESUS....magnified the LAW...and in fact, in Matthew 5, clearly states that those who have Moses'Law, think they have life, but do not do the thing that they should do...which is come to HIM...
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I agree with the first two sentences. AND WE KNOW THAT PHONIES are sown amongst the WHEAT. Why do we Condone it, unless they are trying to GET OTHERS TO FOLLOW THEM ? ? ?
Our LORD is in the BUSINESS of CONVERTING TARES INTO WHEAT.
Romans 10:14-18 (HCSB)
14 But how can they call on Him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about Him? And how can they hear without a preacher?
15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who announce the gospel of good things!
16 But all did not obey the gospel. For Isaiah says, Lord, who has believed our message?
17 So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the message about Christ.
18 But I ask, “Did they not hear?” Yes, they did: Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the inhabited world.
The only reason I cannot agree with your statement: We aren't given a sign when we are sealed and saved is you left off the rest of the verse, and then inserted your dogma. Don't get your feathers ruffled, hear me out.
Ephesians 4:30 (NKJV)
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God,
by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
You left off FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. However, I think I have discovered the ERROR that is a Stumbling Block for you.
You in error, think SALVATION and Sanctification are the same thing, don't you ? ? ?
They are NOT!
SALVATION is of the Human Spirit ONLY, the moment you first genuinely Believed, it CAME IN your HEART, the Human Spirit Completely.
SANCTIFICATION begins AFTER YOU ARE SAVED, and is a life long struggle, to walk as JESUS WALKED, out of pure AGAPE LOVE FOR HIM.
See my recent post: #131,723 for more details about what I believe and PROOF SALVATION is only of the Human Spirit.
Our LORD is in the BUSINESS of CONVERTING TARES INTO WHEAT.
Romans 10:14-18 (HCSB)
14 But how can they call on Him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about Him? And how can they hear without a preacher?
15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who announce the gospel of good things!
16 But all did not obey the gospel. For Isaiah says, Lord, who has believed our message?
17 So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the message about Christ.
18 But I ask, “Did they not hear?” Yes, they did: Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the inhabited world.
The only reason I cannot agree with your statement: We aren't given a sign when we are sealed and saved is you left off the rest of the verse, and then inserted your dogma. Don't get your feathers ruffled, hear me out.
Ephesians 4:30 (NKJV)
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God,
by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
You left off FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. However, I think I have discovered the ERROR that is a Stumbling Block for you.
You in error, think SALVATION and Sanctification are the same thing, don't you ? ? ?
They are NOT!
SALVATION is of the Human Spirit ONLY, the moment you first genuinely Believed, it CAME IN your HEART, the Human Spirit Completely.
SANCTIFICATION begins AFTER YOU ARE SAVED, and is a life long struggle, to walk as JESUS WALKED, out of pure AGAPE LOVE FOR HIM.
See my recent post: #131,723 for more details about what I believe and PROOF SALVATION is only of the Human Spirit.
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We do sit.. we are complete...our works do not purify us as you seem to suggest.
This is not a quota to be fulfilled that is not what Paul is stating.
“He also raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavens in Christ Jesus.” (Ephesians 2:6)
Read it all in context.
Paul is not speaking about temporal works
This is about the message of the Gospel .. it is DONE
This is not a quota to be fulfilled that is not what Paul is stating.
“He also raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavens in Christ Jesus.” (Ephesians 2:6)
Read it all in context.
Paul is not speaking about temporal works
This is about the message of the Gospel .. it is DONE
Itś not our works that purify us...it´s GOD who purifies...and HE purifies whom HE chooses to purify so that faith will rest entirely in HIM...
I did not say it is OUR WORKS that purify...
Itś HIS WORK...and we are HIS WORK...and HE will do what HE will do to bring us to completion...and that completion is growing up into THE HEAD...unto the full measure of CHRIST fit for every good work...which HE alone prepared in advance for ALONE...HIS GLORY
I did not say it is OUR WORKS that purify...
Itś HIS WORK...and we are HIS WORK...and HE will do what HE will do to bring us to completion...and that completion is growing up into THE HEAD...unto the full measure of CHRIST fit for every good work...which HE alone prepared in advance for ALONE...HIS GLORY
Jesus sat when HE was done...itś' HIS WORK...
We did not have a part in HIS SAVING WORK...yet we were still called to go...and when HE led captivity in HIS TRAIN,HE gave gifts all according to HIS PURPOSE...but those works, which HE prepared in advance, are for HIS GLORY and the building up of HIS BODY...
We are not sitting, we are not a lazy servant, we are out there doing the work we were called to do...
But, again it´ś HIS WORK and it is for the building up of HIS BODY....not our own
We did not have a part in HIS SAVING WORK...yet we were still called to go...and when HE led captivity in HIS TRAIN,HE gave gifts all according to HIS PURPOSE...but those works, which HE prepared in advance, are for HIS GLORY and the building up of HIS BODY...
We are not sitting, we are not a lazy servant, we are out there doing the work we were called to do...
But, again it´ś HIS WORK and it is for the building up of HIS BODY....not our own
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You making some assumptions here.
I am actually not impressed.
I am actually not impressed.
Some of the wise will fall so as to be made pure for the time of the end...
Do you have any idea of the works that will occur at the time of the end
And do you have any idea what the wise will have to do?
To remain wise, that is...
I don´t believe that you do...