Is it a sin to drink alcohol
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I rarely come across such delusional arrogance, even around here.
We are the last 'John the Baptist', coming in the spirit and power of Elijah, and as he knew who he was in prophecy, knowing the time and what he was to do, so do we, even knowing the times (1 Chronicles 12:32), knowing what we are to do, and thus we are the last heralds (Revelation 14:6-12) before Jesus comes:
Isa 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
Pro_4:17 For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence.
It's a figurative bread and wine... dude... just like that bread isn't a literal brand of bread since it's paired up it's either both literal or none literal... it's supposed to mean their lifestyle is wickedness and violence... you can't just rip verses out like that, it's not even making sense. So what's up with that bread... what flour is it made of?
Using your reasoning, eating bread is a sin.
you ought to read post #871 over again;
i was talking about Jesus Christ, about why turning water into wine is how God chooses to reveal His glory to His disciples.
i see Christ in the scriptures, everywhere - i see Salvation written in all the pages of the book.
but what do you write about?
The new wine mourneth, the vine languisheth, all the merryhearted do sigh.
The mirth of tabrets ceaseth, the noise of them that rejoice endeth, the joy of the harp ceaseth.
They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it.
(Isaiah 24:7-9)
new wine, wine, and strong drink -- all having the same connotation, all drinks meant by God for our good, all identified with a glad heart and with rejoicing. all containing alcoholic content. rejoice, o Zion! your King has come -- all day long He held out His hands to them, but they would not.
Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water
(Isaiah 1:23)
silver become dross: that which is good, that which is valuable, that which represents atonement, become bad, become worthless, having become the representation of impurity.
wine mixed with water: that which is good, that which is valuable, that which represents joy, having become poor, of little worth, representative of sorrow and destitution.
if the worth of wine here was for the use to hydrate & quench thirst, mixing with water would be a good thing.
it is not.
silver becoming dross is not good. that is paired with wine becoming watered down.
you can have Christ's blood on your hands - by taking the cup of His supper in an unworthy manner. this is not good.
you can be covered by His blood, even as the ark containing the law was covered with the blood of atonement. that is good.
it is not 'different blood' -- it is one blood. the two-edged sword will condemn you if you do not use it aright, and preserve you if you do. search the scriptures! this is His command. they testify of Him!
do you search in order to find condemnation? you will find it.
He takes up His spear, and defends the cause of the poor and needy - He brings the lame and the destitute to His feast, because the 'rich' and the 'honored' made their excuses, declined, and despised Him.
In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin
(Proverbs 10:19)
You do not understand the use of a 'figure'. The literal, natural, must always exist first, before a secondary (tertiary, etc) application can exist.
P.S. "dude" means a "well-dressed man". Garments of Christ, thanks!
I could contest this till dawn, but for starters still waiting to hear what flour was that famous "bread of wickedness" made of, if it "must" be literal first (as you claim) what kind of wicked ingredients went into that bread...
I have, am, and shall continue to do so. Salvation from sin in Christ Jesus (Matthew 1:21), in whom is no sin, and committed no sin, such as drinking false spirits, alcohol. The comparison of the false gospel, the alcoholic 'wine' of the Great Whore (Roman Catholicism) and the true gospel, the pure blood of the grape from the True Vine (Everlasting Gospel, Revelation 14:6-12).
See also Proverbs 20:17,
Pro 20:17 Bread of deceit is sweet to a man; but afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel.
Job 24:6 They reap every one his corn in the field: and they gather the vintage of the wicked.
Then see, how God gave instruction for His bread (Table of the Presence; Sanctuary, Psalms 77:13) to be made, and His cup to be filled. Anything, which were not in that manner, was wickedness (ie, disobedience). It also deals with the manner in which the bread (grain, corn, etc) and 'wine' were dealt with:
Amo 8:5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?
Amo 8:6 That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the refuse of the wheat?
As for natural being first, and spiritual second, it is given by scripture itself as a rule, a law of God:1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Many examples may be given in scripture, in the mouth of many more than two or three witnesses.
The lamb slain from the foundation, in which from the God made coats of skins for Adam/Eve (natural), and circa 4,000 years later, John the Baptist pointed to "the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world" (spiritual).
Another, is Adam the first and Adam the second (Jesus).
Another, is 1 Corinthians 10, Moses and Israel, etc and the final Generations.
etc.
Do I really believe, that you would "contest this till dawn"? No. Not at all.
Do I really believe, that you are "still waiting to hear what flour was that famous "bread of wickedness" made of"? No. Not at all.
I think, based upon the evidence, you have stopped your ears and closed your eyes, lest at any time, you should be healed.
Stopped my ears from what? Healed from what? I almost never have alcohol, nor do I care to drink it.
If you think one glass once in a few years is some addiction, I suppose continue to think so.
As usual when twisting of Scripture is challenged the next is attack on spirituality and claims that whoever disagrees must disagree because they are unspiritual. Says the person that adds to the Word. It's a bit much.
the law, which is not of faith, with its 'touch not, taste not' emphasis on physical restrictions and proscriptions, came first - but grace and truth came through Christ
Just as John came neither eating nor drinking, and Jesus came doing both.
If we have received the Spirit why would we go backwards to follow this man, and via his advice seek a form of godliness through carnal commandments, as though the kingdom is a matter of such things?
Oh, cry me a freaking river..... messiah complex, much?
Who left YOU in charge of whipping us all into shape?
Sad, silly, pitiful...
PLEASE don't feel you have to stay on our account...
Jesus.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
You must truly think Paul contradicts himself:
1Co_10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
are you using the royal "we" here, or are there others there in your head with you?