Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Right lets just muddy all the waters ... correlating OSAS with wanting to stay in sin... false assumption and not even what OSAS is about.

Your focus is on sin like most all NOSAS people ... all sin was dealt with at the cross.
Salvation is not a day by day thing... all sin expunged from our record, past present and future, when we are born from above

Another Pharisee.....plain as day!!

 

[dcontroversal]

How many works must you do to maintain your salvation? What would you say to God if you fell just one work short of salvation?

We know exactly what he will say...Lord Lord did we not blah blah blah.......

 

[dcontroversal]

Good thing my spiritual welfare doesn't rely on what is or not obvious to you

I suggest you actually trust Jesus by faith dude........serious!

 

[walknlight]

oh look OSAS
Once as son always a son

Cant get any clearer.

 

[VCO]

Jesus says to true believers "Go and sin no more" and to OSAS believers "Why call ye Me, Lord Lord, and do not the things which I say?"

Psalm 34:13 (HCSB)
13 Keep your tongue from evil and your lips from deceitful speech.


Titus 3:10-11 (NIV)
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.
11 You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.


Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.


Romans 3:20 (NKJV)
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


Proverbs 29:9 (NASB)
9 When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, The foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.


1 Timothy 6:3-5 (NRSV)
3 Whoever teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness,
4 is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words. From these come envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions,
5 and wrangling among those who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.


Galatians 5:19-21 (NRSV)
19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: fornication, impurity, licentiousness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions,
21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these. I am warning you, as I warned you before: those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[VCO]

I suggest you actually trust Jesus by faith dude........serious!

Look at my last post, all those verses apply to divisive attitude. He came here to FIGHT against OSAS THEOLOGY, he is a TARE.

I am in favor of unanimously IGNORE HIM.

 

[VCO]

Did Jesus get crucified more than once? NO.. He did not..

And since He only had to die once for our sins, then how can we possibly lose our salvation? That would mean He would need to die on a daily basis..

I feel the same as the picture you posted of an angry cat. I know, calm down, he will be gone soon!

 

[VCO]

. . .
OSAS stubbornly insists on interpreting number 4 to mean the opposite of what is stated in the parable, thus making them guilty of misinterpreting Scripture.

Case Closed.

No you wore out your WELCOME HERE. So by getting on to all my friends HERE, with your False Doctrine, and your morbid appetite for CREATING:

Galatians 5:20 (NRSV)
20 . . . enmities, strife, . . . , quarrels, dissensions, factions,

Which are examples of BAD FRUIT, THIS IS YOUR SECOND WARNING.


Next time you start that with anybody HERE, I will put you on Permanent IGNORE LIST, and encourage all here to do the same. Then No Member will see your FALSE DOCTRINE. Enjoy talking to yourself.


Matthew 7:20 (HCSB)
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Case Re-opened. ....no genuine born again Christian would have such an unforgiving heart.

So, it's possible to be saved without being born again? Was not the Unmerciful Servant delivered from his condemnation? What do we call it when a person is delivered from condemnation? S-A-V-E-D.

Notice that this "unforgiving servant" is called a "wicked" servant...

He called wicked because he despised his salvation and reverted back to doing wickedly, plain and simple. He was a sanitized saint that chose to return to the vomit and mire.

How unfortunate that OSAS has blinded so many to such plain, elementary truths. But, no wonder, seeing that OSAS is of the devil, and his motus operandi is blinding people: "If our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost, in whom the god of this world hath blinded the eyes of them which believe not, lest the glorious light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ Who is the image of God should shine unto them." 2 Cor. 4:3-4 KJV

 

[EleventhHour]

1. wound up back in front of his master condemned and guilty and sentenced to the IDENTICAL fate for which he was originally forgiven.

OSAS stubbornly insists on interpreting number 4 to mean the opposite of what is stated in the parable, thus making them guilty of misinterpreting Scripture.

That would be wrong and the exact opposite.

This parable is not speaking to when God confers the justified status on a new born again believer.

It speaking to how we deal with others and our that impacts our union with God.
Justified status of the believer is not in view.

 

[Phoneman-777]

The works/or no works will be judged. The "salvation" of one's soul has already been taken care of. Salvation is a one time deal. Growing in the Lord and doing worthy works is an ongoing, daily, earthly thing.

Salvation ain't a ticket that you get punched, it's a relationship that must not be neglected. "...but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved." As sure as I'm born a man, the saint who stops in his tracks on the Path of Righteousness and chooses to kick God off the throne of his heart and enthrone himself again permanently will assuredly perish in the Lake of Fire.

 

[Phoneman-777]

You do not even UNDERSTAND the BASICS in OSAS THEOLOGY, only the lies from what others have taught you that do not believe in OSAS, and object lessons from your misguided parents.

You SAID:
1. guilty and condemned
2. asked for and received forgiveness granted based on nothing but the grace of his master.
3. went away totally free and forgiven;
4. wound up back in front of his master condemned and guilty and sentenced to the IDENTICAL fate for which he was originally forgiven.

Friend, if OSAS can't agree that these four points are fully in harmony with Jesus' plain works in Scripture, then what other evidence need be presented to show what a distortion of Scripture OSAS is?

 

[Phoneman-777]

You must be blind then pal....David spoke of his salvation in the present tense and you are not that bright if you think the Corinthian BROTHER was not a saved child of God.....just another Cainologist deceiver is exactly what you are!

Is English your first language? Because David is plainly appealing to God for Him to keep David from the Great Transgression of presumptuous sin, which is not the same as the fall of a just man seven times, but rises up again. OSAS believers PRESUME on the grace of God while teaching others that obedience is optional. The Biblical truth of Conditional Salvation says the dead faith of OSAS cannot obtain that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

 

[Phoneman-777]

No such thing as conditional salvation under the NEW Covenant other than genuine FAITH into the work of Jesus....wake up....conflating truth = lost and hell to pay dude!

That Unmerciful Servant found out quick that asking and receiving forgiveness in the end means nothing if you're not willing to live a surrendered, obedient life by that same grace that delivered you from condemnation.

 

[Phoneman-777]

No you wore out your WELCOME HERE. So by getting on to all my friends HERE, with your False Doctrine, and your morbid appetite for CREATING:

Galatians 5:20 (NRSV)
20 . . . enmities, strife, . . . , quarrels, dissensions, factions,

Which are examples of BAD FRUIT, THIS IS YOUR SECOND WARNING.


Next time you start that with anybody HERE, I will put you on Permanent IGNORE LIST, and encourage all here to do the same. Then No Member will see your FALSE DOCTRINE. Enjoy talking to yourself.


Matthew 7:20 (HCSB)
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.

Some of us have enough confidence in the ability of our spiritual propositions to stand the test of Biblical scrutiny that we welcome any challenge, while others demonstrate their total lack of the same by circling their intellectual wagons around their ideas and protecting them from any challenge. I blame the participation trophy generation.

 

[Phoneman-777]

That would be wrong and the exact opposite.

This parable is not speaking to when God confers the justified status on a new born again believer.

It speaking to how we deal with others and our that impacts our union with God.
Justified status of the believer is not in view.

We don't need clarification about what object lesson is being taught by the parable...we're all aware of that. What we need to understand is that this parable PLAINLY depicts the Servant falling under the same condemnation for which he was previously forgiven.

 

[TMS]

OSAS goes against so many biblical teachings. The Devil was in a saved position. The Angels that are now demons were all righteous and pure, safe from condemnation. Sin separates us from God and some hold to the lie of OSAS because they fell secure when the Spirit and peace of God is not present in their hearts. When i fell my conscience tell me i'm not doing Gods will, i ask if the sin is worth separation with God. He does not leave us, we reject Him. OSAS believers would not have this problem because they are always saved regardless of their choices. To be baptized means you commit to Jesus and are starting a new life with God, (born again). Like marriage you give your vouls, make your promises and start a new life with your partner. You mean what you say at the alter and are truthful, sincere and earnest to stay with that person forever but many get divorced. Its the same with God we are sincere to follow Him, but some loss touch with their Savour and walk away.

 

[Judges1318]

No it doesn't

All these things you posted are the signs of an unbeliever:

We can sin all we want and still be saved?
We have no desire to be like Jesus?
We can pray the sinners prayer and we are saved with no desire to change.
Use the grace of God as a license to sin.

These things do not describe the struggling believer.
But osas says believers can have this mindset of willful and wanton sin and they are still saved.
The absence of the struggle with sin is a sign of not being saved.

 

[Judges1318]

Thanks for stepping up to the plate and showing your true colours and judgemental attitude and false accusations against the many.

Do you think it's not okay to discern who is a true believer and who is not?
If a person has the mindset you described--not wanting to be like Christ--we can safely discern that they are not a brother or sister.
But osas says a person can fall away to that state of unbelief and they are still saved.

 

[Judges1318]

The only "cased closed" is the Shed Blood of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, who "closed" the case once and for all on the Cross. It is through Him when we accept Him that the "case is closed."

That's why you should keep believing in Him.
Don't reopen a new case of sin guilt by walking away from the One who closed the last case against you.