The Holy Spirit in Acts according to Acts
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Conversation is a lot easier if you have the capacity to say you typed something wrong, changed your position, or just drop certain topics.
If you are married, has your husband ever expressed frustration that you do not admit when you are wrong? you can take that as a rhetorical question for self reflection.
This is not a true expounding of what Paul said. When you leave off, 1 Corinthians 14:5, you imply that Paul wanted all to speak in tongues, but because you did not give the FULL TRUTH of what Paul said by CHRISTŚ SPIRIT so powerfully at work in him, then it because your word, the word according to @7seasrekeyed
Not the word according to GOD.
Here is 1 Corinthians 14:5
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Not the word according to GOD.
Here is 1 Corinthians 14:5
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
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you do not understand what the word prophesy means in this context
you have also indicated you believe the gift of tongues has passed away...or was it that is passed you by?
not sure
I didn't leave out v 5
are you lying or so angry that you cannot see straight?
following is my post once again which clearly shows I included v 5
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7seasrekeyed, post: 4201570, member: 260610"] REPOST
1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue a does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, b but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, c unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
so what do we learn here?
it is good to desire spiritual gifts
speaking in tongues is not Acts all over again...note v 2
if speaking in tongues a person does so by the Holy Spirit...note the capital 'S' v 2
the one who prophecies, v.3 exhorts everyone...in prophesying...meaning exhortation in most cases and not foretelling something
if a person is speaking in tongues, they edify themselves, if a person exhorts or prophecies, they edify the congregation or gathering
Paul would like everyone to speak in tongues..v 5..which places a high value on this gift, but he would prefer that everyone is edified and not just an individual. however, he goes on to say that if the tongues are interpreted, then they are equal in value
6Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.
Paul further explains why tongues should be interpreted or used privately. He indicates he values their desire for gifts of the Spirit and encourages this by saying they should try to excel in those that build up the body
13For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer, d say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
Paul sums up what he has indicated should be the order for the use of tongues in church. he tells them to pray to be able to interpret...nowhere does Paul give any indication that he believes they should just be quiet and not use tongues nor does he castigate them in any way that would indicate he is angry or that there is jealousy or any other negative influence at work.
there is no indication they were prophesying over each other either. further, there is a misinterpretation of the word prophesy if a person is using it to indicate revelation rather than exhortation. Paul does not use the word revelation
rather he congratulates them on their desire for spiritual gifts but cautions proper use of same
18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
again, he expounds on the importance of understanding and his concern that ALL should benefit from the gifts of exhortation...prophecy and tongues with interpretation
LOL...honest to Pete...I have never met someone so dishonest while telling others that they lie etc
of course now I will be told she meant something else and blah blah blah
1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue a does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, b but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, c unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
so what do we learn here?
it is good to desire spiritual gifts
speaking in tongues is not Acts all over again...note v 2
if speaking in tongues a person does so by the Holy Spirit...note the capital 'S' v 2
the one who prophecies, v.3 exhorts everyone...in prophesying...meaning exhortation in most cases and not foretelling something
if a person is speaking in tongues, they edify themselves, if a person exhorts or prophecies, they edify the congregation or gathering
Paul would like everyone to speak in tongues..v 5..which places a high value on this gift, but he would prefer that everyone is edified and not just an individual. however, he goes on to say that if the tongues are interpreted, then they are equal in value
6Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.
Paul further explains why tongues should be interpreted or used privately. He indicates he values their desire for gifts of the Spirit and encourages this by saying they should try to excel in those that build up the body
13For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer, d say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
Paul sums up what he has indicated should be the order for the use of tongues in church. he tells them to pray to be able to interpret...nowhere does Paul give any indication that he believes they should just be quiet and not use tongues nor does he castigate them in any way that would indicate he is angry or that there is jealousy or any other negative influence at work.
there is no indication they were prophesying over each other either. further, there is a misinterpretation of the word prophesy if a person is using it to indicate revelation rather than exhortation. Paul does not use the word revelation
rather he congratulates them on their desire for spiritual gifts but cautions proper use of same
18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
again, he expounds on the importance of understanding and his concern that ALL should benefit from the gifts of exhortation...prophecy and tongues with interpretation
LOL...honest to Pete...I have never met someone so dishonest while telling others that they lie etc
of course now I will be told she meant something else and blah blah blah
In your posts so far, you seemed to imply that people were doing wrong by not mentioning the name of Jesus in their posts when they were talking about the Holy Spirit, but you do not do the same in your own posts. If people are talking about a topic related to the Holy Spirit, but don't mention evangelism, you imply they are wrong for that. You answered posts by responding how great salvation through Jesus is, as if the posts were opposed to that, when they weren't. When you make a little mistake, you deflect with some unrelated response when its pointed out. I asked you for scripture to support something specific. You responded with scriptures not really related to the topic and never really backed up what you said. When I pressed you, you said to read the book, read this chapter, read that chapter, but didn't really back up what you said (about 'prophesying over' each other meaning prophesying at the same time.
It is crystal clear what you wrote above. Anyone can see it. You act like I made a mistake when my interpretation of your wording was reasonable.
Just try to act like a normal, reasonable human being. That means a little humility. If you mistype something, or mistake, or change your position, and you say that, that's fine. We won't crucify you or think any less of you. But this approach you are taking comes off as weird and proud. Why don't you go look at the posts in the discussion so you can see. Otherwise, your behavior looks both foolish and arrogant, and it doesn't look good, and it isn't edifying to others. You know whether other people call you out for such things. I wouldn't have mentioned your husband if your method of interaction were not so weird. Usually, I let a comment like that slide, as most people do. But it is constant with you since I've seen you in this thread. Would it do you any good for you to act like this and people not confront you? But take this as an exhortation. You are doing this stuff publically. If you want the rest of the forum's feedback, ask, and if anyone else (besides Roger) is reading, they can tell you if you are doing this or if it is just my imagination.
It is crystal clear what you wrote above. Anyone can see it. You act like I made a mistake when my interpretation of your wording was reasonable.
Just try to act like a normal, reasonable human being. That means a little humility. If you mistype something, or mistake, or change your position, and you say that, that's fine. We won't crucify you or think any less of you. But this approach you are taking comes off as weird and proud. Why don't you go look at the posts in the discussion so you can see. Otherwise, your behavior looks both foolish and arrogant, and it doesn't look good, and it isn't edifying to others. You know whether other people call you out for such things. I wouldn't have mentioned your husband if your method of interaction were not so weird. Usually, I let a comment like that slide, as most people do. But it is constant with you since I've seen you in this thread. Would it do you any good for you to act like this and people not confront you? But take this as an exhortation. You are doing this stuff publically. If you want the rest of the forum's feedback, ask, and if anyone else (besides Roger) is reading, they can tell you if you are doing this or if it is just my imagination.
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I reposted because the ink seemed very pale and hard to read and I wanted to read it. thanks
Presidentes post
It is very clear. I just commented on all you wrote. You seem to have quite a personality. If you were a character on Little House on the Prairer or The Waltons, would you be the shopkeeper lady? I'm just trying to imagine.
In your posts so far, you seemed to imply that people were doing wrong by not mentioning the name of Jesus in their posts when they were talking about the Holy Spirit, but you do not do the same in your own posts. If people are talking about a topic related to the Holy Spirit, but don't mention evangelism, you imply they are wrong for that. You answered posts by responding how great salvation through Jesus is, as if the posts were opposed to that, when they weren't. When you make a little mistake, you deflect with some unrelated response when its pointed out. I asked you for scripture to support something specific. You responded with scriptures not really related to the topic and never really backed up what you said. When I pressed you, you said to read the book, read this chapter, read that chapter, but didn't really back up what you said (about 'prophesying over' each other meaning prophesying at the same time.
It is crystal clear what you wrote above. Anyone can see it. You act like I made a mistake when my interpretation of your wording was reasonable.
Just try to act like a normal, reasonable human being. That means a little humility. If you mistype something, or mistake, or change your position, and you say that, that's fine. We won't crucify you or think any less of you. But this approach you are taking comes off as weird and proud. Why don't you go look at the posts in the discussion so you can see. Otherwise, your behavior looks both foolish and arrogant, and it doesn't look good, and it isn't edifying to others. You know whether other people call you out for such things. I wouldn't have mentioned your husband if your method of interaction were not so weird. Usually, I let a comment like that slide, as most people do. But it is constant with you since I've seen you in this thread. Would it do you any good for you to act like this and people not confront you? But take this as an exhortation. You are doing this stuff publically. If you want the rest of the forum's feedback, ask, and if anyone else (besides Roger) is reading, they can tell you if you are doing this or if it is just my imagination.
Presidentes post
It is very clear. I just commented on all you wrote. You seem to have quite a personality. If you were a character on Little House on the Prairer or The Waltons, would you be the shopkeeper lady? I'm just trying to imagine.
In your posts so far, you seemed to imply that people were doing wrong by not mentioning the name of Jesus in their posts when they were talking about the Holy Spirit, but you do not do the same in your own posts. If people are talking about a topic related to the Holy Spirit, but don't mention evangelism, you imply they are wrong for that. You answered posts by responding how great salvation through Jesus is, as if the posts were opposed to that, when they weren't. When you make a little mistake, you deflect with some unrelated response when its pointed out. I asked you for scripture to support something specific. You responded with scriptures not really related to the topic and never really backed up what you said. When I pressed you, you said to read the book, read this chapter, read that chapter, but didn't really back up what you said (about 'prophesying over' each other meaning prophesying at the same time.
It is crystal clear what you wrote above. Anyone can see it. You act like I made a mistake when my interpretation of your wording was reasonable.
Just try to act like a normal, reasonable human being. That means a little humility. If you mistype something, or mistake, or change your position, and you say that, that's fine. We won't crucify you or think any less of you. But this approach you are taking comes off as weird and proud. Why don't you go look at the posts in the discussion so you can see. Otherwise, your behavior looks both foolish and arrogant, and it doesn't look good, and it isn't edifying to others. You know whether other people call you out for such things. I wouldn't have mentioned your husband if your method of interaction were not so weird. Usually, I let a comment like that slide, as most people do. But it is constant with you since I've seen you in this thread. Would it do you any good for you to act like this and people not confront you? But take this as an exhortation. You are doing this stuff publically. If you want the rest of the forum's feedback, ask, and if anyone else (besides Roger) is reading, they can tell you if you are doing this or if it is just my imagination.
you do not understand what the word prophesy means in this context
you have also indicated you believe the gift of tongues has passed away...or was it that is passed you by?
not sure
I didn't leave out v 5
are you lying or so angry that you cannot see straight?
following is my post once again which clearly shows I included v 5
you have also indicated you believe the gift of tongues has passed away...or was it that is passed you by?
not sure
I didn't leave out v 5
are you lying or so angry that you cannot see straight?
following is my post once again which clearly shows I included v 5
I wanted to point out that this post was made before I asked miknik5 to ask people if she were engaging in the behaviors I described.
I think there is a danger that the thread could get derailed into a thread about how weird miknik5 has been acting, not admitting what she wrote, deflecting, accusing without basis, etc. If she can stop engaging in those behaviors, we can stop discussing that in this thread.
Simple stuff like, "I didn't mean that." or "Let me clarify that" without accusations can move a conversation forward. Not talking about you, of course.
I think there is a danger that the thread could get derailed into a thread about how weird miknik5 has been acting, not admitting what she wrote, deflecting, accusing without basis, etc. If she can stop engaging in those behaviors, we can stop discussing that in this thread.
Simple stuff like, "I didn't mean that." or "Let me clarify that" without accusations can move a conversation forward. Not talking about you, of course.
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