is the bible racist towards people who is not white?

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Locoponydirtman

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The Apostle John said Jesus hair was white wool and His feet fine brass (some translation say bronze) Rev. 1:14-15. If a law enforcement officer broadcast lookout for a person fitting this description would they look for a white person or a black person?
Disqualification, misuse of scripture.
John trying to describe what he saw in Heaven, not earthly Jesus.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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The Bible is not racist..

The Jews where not white.. They where middle eastern and olive oil colored skin ( tanned )

The Canaanite woman was called a dog because as a non Jew she was considered unclean.. Or not a child of God.. It had nothing to do with her racial characteristics..

No where in the Bible does it identify Ham as being black.. The teaching of the curse of ham being about black people is a tradition made up by men... most likely men who wanted to justify exploitation of black people..
His name means black.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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The Apostle John said Jesus hair was white wool and His feet fine brass (some translation say bronze) Rev. 1:14-15. If a law enforcement officer broadcast lookout for a person fitting this description would they look for a white person or a black person?
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

John did not see Jesus in His physical appearance but in His heavenly appearance after His resurrection.[/QUOTE]
Brass in a furnace turns so bright that you should use eye protection to look at it.
 

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Jesus’ interaction with the Canaanite or “Syrophoenician,” woman (recorded in Matthew 15:21-28 and Mark 7:24-30), where Christ refers to a suffering woman and the Canaanite people she is part of as “dogs.”

we also have the curse of ham, The curse of ham states that all black people are cursed. Canaan represents black people, and ham is the father of black people.
Let me guess, you’re attending a radical leftist seminary which spews more falsehood and unmitigated hatred than volcanoes spew lava.
 

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The Jews made significant effort to remain racially pure; that was consistent with God's commands. Jesus' comment to the Syrophoenician woman is rooted in that. He was called to the Jews, not to everybody, at that time.


Ham was not cursed; Canaan was, and there is nothing in the Bible to support the idea that either was the father of the black people.
There is only one race, the human race. What we are seeing is ethnic purity not a matter of race. It is a tribal mentality that is deeply rooted in mankinds history.

For the cause of Christ
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The Apostle John said Jesus hair was white wool and His feet fine brass (some translation say bronze) Rev. 1:14-15. If a law enforcement officer broadcast lookout for a person fitting this description would they look for a white person or a black person?
Literal vs symbolic scripture: Examples

Here ALL literal
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; & every eye shall see him, & they also which pierced him: & all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen

Here symbolic
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

(NOTE: NOT wool or snow or a flame. But, "LIKE wool" "AS snow" "AS a flame". Pay close attention, Context is always Key.
 

Lightskin

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Punishment for sin, has nothing to do with racism. When I think how harmful white christians can be, then I cant see an colour different in this. Also the bible does not teach a different of the person in Gods eyes.
“then I can’t see an colour different in this”

I read that 10 times and can’t make it out.
 

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Jesus’ interaction with the Canaanite or “Syrophoenician,” woman (recorded in Matthew 15:21-28 and Mark 7:24-30), where Christ refers to a suffering woman and the Canaanite people she is part of as “dogs.”

we also have the curse of ham, The curse of ham states that all black people are cursed. Canaan represents black people, and ham is the father of black people.

Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
(NOTE: Jesus refers to the gentile woman from Canaan as a dog)

In Jesus day gentiles were considered to be godless & ceremonially unclean outside of covenant seals. The reference "dog" was a commonly know & used expression throughout the Jewish culture.

Non-Jews were considered so ungodly, even being in their presence could make a person ceremonially unclean

John 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.
(NOTE: Just entering into the ""Roman/gentile"" judgment hall would make them unclean.)

Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an "unlawful" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean
(NOTE: Peter tells Cornelius it's UNLAWFUL for a Jew to keep company with a non-Jew)
 
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pottersclay

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The hair white as wool represents wisdom. Feet as brass represents judgement.

The term dog was used by the Pharisees to discribe a gentile or non Jew. It was widely used as a slang term for that purpose.
Carefully read the exchange of words in the mentioned scripture.
 
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H2526 חָם Cham (chawm) n/l.
1. hot (from the tropical habitat).
2. Cham, a son of Noah.
3. (as a patronymic) his descendants or their country.

Cush
Strong's #3568: Kuwsh (pronounced koosh)

probably of foreign origin; Cush (or Ethiopia), the name of a son of Ham, and of his territory; also of an Israelite:--Chush, Cush, Ethiopia.
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kûsh

Cush = "black"

1) a Benjamite mentioned only in the title of Ps 7 (noun proper masculine)

2) the son of Ham and grandson of Noah and the progenitor of the southernmost peoples located in Africa (noun proper masculine)

3) the peoples descended from Cush (noun proper masculine)

4) the land occupied by the descendants of Cush located around the southern parts of the Nile (Ethiopia) (noun proper locative)

God bless!
 

Nehemiah6

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The Bible has no racist agenda and God views all people the same...
Correct. The Bible says that there is only one race -- the human race -- with many ethnic groups.

Tribalism has always been a human trait, and that has led to racism. Almost every ethnic group believes that it is superior to others, so racism has always been a fact of life. But it should not be so for Christians.
 

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Jesus’ interaction with the Canaanite or “Syrophoenician,” woman (recorded in Matthew 15:21-28 and Mark 7:24-30), where Christ refers to a suffering woman and the Canaanite people she is part of as “dogs.”

we also have the curse of ham, The curse of ham states that all black people are cursed. Canaan represents black people, and ham is the father of black people.
I am not aware of any of white people in the Bible?

I guess the Romans, maybe?
Or the 'barbarians'?
 
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Literal vs symbolic scripture: Examples

Here ALL literal
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; & every eye shall see him, & they also which pierced him: & all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen

Here symbolic
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

(NOTE: NOT wool or snow or a flame. But, "LIKE wool" "AS snow" "AS a flame". Pay close attention, Context is always Key.
What is the definition of "LIKE?"
 

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Does it ?? And anyway does that matter ? I know a family called Black and they are all white.. Maybe Ham was born at night time so he was named Black.. The color of the night? too much is assumed about such things..
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Does it ?? And anyway does that matter ? I know a family called Black and they are all white.. Maybe Ham was born at night time so he was named Black.. The color of the night? too much is assumed about such things..
He became the father of the Cushites, Ethiopians. This does not mean there is anything inherently racist about the Bible. In fact a little study kind of shows that Noah's three sons are the fathers of the 3 races. Which literally means we are all from the same lineage. Though at times certain lines received curses for their patriarchs' sins there is still reconciliation in Christ Jesus our Lord and savior. Reconciled to God and to each other.
 

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He became the father of the Cushites, Ethiopians. This does not mean there is anything inherently racist about the Bible. In fact a little study kind of shows that Noah's three sons are the fathers of the 3 races. Which literally means we are all from the same lineage. Though at times certain lines received curses for their patriarchs' sins there is still reconciliation in Christ Jesus our Lord and savior. Reconciled to God and to each other.
Again how do you know he became the father if the Ethiopians ? is that recorded in the Bible?

Ham was the father of Canaan and Canaanites lived in the area's in and around Israel.. They where not Africans / Ethiopians..

(Genesis 9:22) "And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without."
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Again how do you know he became the father if the Ethiopians ? is that recorded in the Bible?

Ham was the father of Canaan and Canaanites lived in the area's in and around Israel.. They where not Africans / Ethiopians..

(Genesis 9:22) "And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without."
The sons of Ham were Cush and Mizraim and Put and Canaan.
Genesis 10:6 NASB
Canaan was the one cursed, but he had other children.
You gotta read the next chapter also.
 
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The white people are the descendants of Japheth. And the Bible says some pretty bad things about their race too, though it's all true also just like the pronouncements against Ham, the father of the blacks, are grim, but they are also true. Even the other Semites, the Asiatic races, became pagans and the Bible also tells very true things about their wicked races. The thing is is that shortly after the Flood all the races pretty much became evil pagans and the things they did, and still do, are quite evil. Is it racist to call them evil? Maybe it is, but that doesn't mean it's not true. The only racial exception is the Israelites as the man Israel worshipped the only true God in his time. Though in the course of history as the Bible relates the Israelites, and later the jews, would also betray God and reap the curses of his wrath, very often by mingling and mixing with the various races around them and adopting their wicked customs which made them forget about Lord God.

White people didn't become Christian until the days of the apostles of Lord Jesus. The first white man to become a Christian, if I remember correctly, is Cornelius, a centurion of Rome. The apostle Paul in the Bible is the foremost apostle to go out to the Gentiles, namely the whites, and he converted many of the white people early on and this is why Christianity would in later centuries rise in Europe and then subsequently in the isles of the sea that the sons of Japheth were promised to inherit.
 

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The sons of Ham were Cush and Mizraim and Put and Canaan.
Genesis 10:6 NASB
Canaan was the one cursed, but he had other children.
You gotta read the next chapter also.
Well the i was reading about cush and he was the father of nimrod and it spoke of Nimrod living in the land if Shinar which from memory is around the location of modern day Iraq.. And this was the place they built the tower of Babel and that land ended up being part of Babylon..