That you cite Ruckman and Riplinger says much about you... and none of it good.
Exposing!! The Corrupt Counterfeit (NIV) Bible, Verses That Have Been Tamped With!!
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i've been playing sermon-roulette during my commutes for years, and i can't even count how many pastors i've heard that talk more about the KJV than about Christ - if they talk about Christ at all. and this isn't even sermons titled something-about-kjv ((i do not waste time clicking on those)), but ostensibly supposed to be actual exegetical teachings. 
Good advice.
The NIV and the NWT follow the same pattern:
Mark 11:26
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+11:26&version=NIV
https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/mark/11/#v41011026
The words do not occur in the following corrupted texts:
Aleph (Sinaiticus), B (Vaticanus), L, S, W, Delta, Psi, pc, sin, pal, Coptic: sa, bo-pt, Arm-zoh, Eth-rom
Here is the vast extant literature which has the text in it:
"... A, C, D, E, F, G, H, K, M, N, U, V, X, Y
Gamma, Theta, Pi, Sigma, Phi, Omega
Cursives: MAJORITY, fam 1,13
Old Latin: a, b, c, d, f, ff2, (i*), m, q, r1, Vulgate
Syriac: Pes.hitta, Harclean
Coptic: Bohairic-pt
Gothic, Armenian-usc, Ethiopic-ppl
Also extant in 047, 055, 0133?, 0154, 0211, 0233?, 0257? ..." - A Closer Look: Early Manuscripts & The A.V.; by Jack Moorman, pages 82
Additionally:
"... TAITIAN, Diatessaron (I 10:94)
... no indication in the ANPF of a pre-400 AD Father skipping from verses 25-27 with the disputed portion missing. ..." - Early church Father's and the Authorized Version, by Jack Moorman, page 43
Additionally:
"... It is also found in the Greek Diatessaron 160-175 A.D. It is also quoted by such early church writers as Cyprian and Augustine.
The whole verse is found in the Greek texts of Stephanus 1550, Beza 1598, Elzevir 1624, Scrivener 1894, the Majority texts of both Hodges & Farstad and that of Robinson-Pierpont and in the Greek Textus Receptus used to this day by the Orthodox churches all over the world. ..." - https://brandplucked.webs.com/mark1126scripture.htm
Additionally, the ECF:Thomas Aquinas, Catena Aurea, citing Bede:
"... Bede: But we must observe that there is a difference in those who pray; he who has perfect faith, which worketh by love, can by his prayer or even his command remove spiritual mountains, as Paul did with Elymas the sorcerer. But let those who are unable to mount up to such a height of perfection pray that their sins should be forgiven them, and they shall obtain what they pray for, provided that they themselves first forgive those who have sinned against them.
If however they disdain to do this, not only shall they be unable to perform miracles by their prayers, but they shall not even be able to obtain pardon for their sins, which is implied in what follows; “But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.” ..." - https://ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/catena2/catena2.iii.xi.html
Augustine, Homily VII:"... “If ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will forgive you also your trespasses. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”2359 It is the sentence of Truth: or if it be not Truth that speaks, gainsay it. ..." - https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107/npnf107.iv.x.html
Chrysostom, On the Priesthood; Ascetic Treatises; Select Homilies and Letters; Homilies on the Statutes, to those who had not attended the assembly:"... “Forgive your debtors in order that your Father may also forgive your trespasses.” For He did not propose a small reward, but one which far exceeds the magnitude of the achievement. ..." - https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf109/npnf109.xiii.ii.html
probably what this discussion board really needs is for someone to copy-paste a few more entire kjv-onlyist blogs into a thread
that will increase our knowledge of God . . ?
that will increase our knowledge of God . . ?
Yes. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. I (Jesus) change not. That the inspired and preserved word of God in English (KJB), represents Jesus in word form. It is a word picture of Jesus. The other, the NIV, is a false image, a false Christ. The NIV adds and subtracts from the Image of Jesus. The NIV is verily an anti-Christos. It is to be by "every word" of God doth man live.
Goodie, we get to learn the truth!
The NIV and the NWT follow the same pattern:
Mark 15:28
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+15:28&version=NIV
https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/mark/15/#v41015028
The words do not occur in the following corrupted texts:
Aleph (Sinaiticus), B (Vaticanus), C, D, X, Y-txt, Psi, pc, d, k, sin, Coptic: sa, bo-pt, fay
Here is the vast extant literature which has the text in it:
"... E, F, G, H, K, L, M, P, S, U, V, Y-mg
Gamma, Delta, Theta, Pi, Sigma, Omega
0112, 0250
Cursives: MAJORITY, fam 1,13
Old Latin: aur, c, ff2, g1, l, n, r1, Vulgate
Syriac: Pes.hitta, Harclean, Palestinian
Coptic: (Bohairic-pt)
Gothic, Armenian, Ethiopic
Also extant in 047, 055, 083, 0233?, 0250, 0257 ..." - A Closer Look: Early Manuscripts & The A.V.; by Jack Moorman, pages 84
Additionally:
"... TAITIAN, Diatessaron (I 10:122)
... There are no indications in the ANPF indices of a pre-400 Father skipping fromverse 27-29 in his quotation. ..." - Early Church Fathers and the Authorized Version, by Jack Moorman, page 44
Additionally:
"... The Anglo Saxon Gospels dated to around 1000 A.D. contained the whole verse - Mark 15:28 þa wæs þt ge-writ gefylled. þt cwyð; & he wæs mid unriht-wisum geteald; ..." - https://brandplucked.webs.com/mark1528numberedwith.htm
Additionally:
"... Ruckman (2) p 110, (54) p 18, states that the verse is found in the vast majority of manuscripts and in the Old Latin and Old Syriac of the 2nd and 3rd centuries respectively. Berry's Greek text supports this passage. ..." - http://ecclesia.org/truth/manuscript_evidence.html
Additionally,Chrysostom and Augustine also agree that Isaiah was a reference to Christ, as Mark cited:
Cyril of Alexandria, agrees with Mark, that Isaiah was a reference to Christ Jesus, Lecture XIII. On the words, Crucified and Buried. Isaiah liii. 1, 7:
"... 30. Concerning the robbers who were crucified with Him, it is written, And He was numbered with the transgressors1608. ..." - https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf207/npnf207.ii.xvii.html
Praise the LORD!
The NIV and NWT follow the same pattern:
Mark 16:9-20
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+16:9&version=NIV
https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/mark/16/#v41016008
The words do not occur in the following corrupted texts:
Aleph (Sinaiticus) [which omits large portions of the OT & adds Shep. of Hermes, & Ep. Barnabus], B (Vaticanus), pc (N/A, UBS cite 1 cursive, and say that some others make reference to a shorter ending), (k), sin, Coptic: sa-ms, Arm-mss.
Here is the vast extant literature which has the text in it:
"... A, C, D, E, F, G, (H), K, (L), M, S, U, V, (W), X, Y
Gamma, Delta, Theta, Pi, Sigma, (Psi), Omega
(099), (0112)
Cursives: MAJORITY, fam 1,13
Old Latin: aur, c, d-suppl, ff2, g1,2, l, n, o, q, r2, Vulgate
Syriac: Pes.hitta, Curetonian, Harclean, Palestinian,
Gothic, Armenian, Ethiopic
Also extant in 047,. 055, 0211, 0233?, 0257. Early bishops who claimed to be direct successors of the apostles would find their inability to perform the works of the apostles (II Cor. 12:12) a matter of embarrassment. Are we really to believe that the Gospel of Mark would end in verse 8 with the words, "for they were afraid"? See Burgons great work on this chapter. ..." - A Closer Look: Early Manuscripts & The A.V.; by Jack Moorman, page 85
Additionally:
"... TATIAN, Diatessaron, (I 10:125,126,128,129), in entirety.
IRENAEUS, Against Heresies (I 1:426), vs. 16:18
TERTULLIAN, Resurrection of Flesh (I 3:584), vs. 16:19; Against Praxeas (I 3:627), vs. 16:19
CYPRIAN, 7th Council (I 5:569), refers to vs. 16:17,18; Gospel of Nicodemus (I 8:422,432,436,445), vs. 16:15-19
APHRAHAT, Demonstrations (III 13:351), vs. 16:16-19
APOSTOLIC CONST. (I 7:457,479), vs 16:16-19
AMBROSE, The Holy Spirit (III 10:133,134), vs. 16:15-18; Const. of Faith (III 10:216), vs. 16:15; Repentance (III 10:335), vs. 16:17,18.
Nothing in indexes of the ANPF of pre-400 AD father quoting up to vs. 8 and stopping. ..." - Early Church Fathers and the Authorized Version, by Jack Moorman, page 44
Additionally:
"... The evidence in favour of the authenticity of Mark 16:9-20 is overwhelming. The TBS publication (58) "The Authenticity of The Last Twelve Verses of...Mark" is an excellent summary, drawing mainly from Burgon, (14) p 36-40, 422-4 and Burgon's work cited by Fuller (33) p 25-130. See also Burton (5) p 62-3, Fuller (4) p 168-9, Hills (3) p 161-2, (38) p 133-4, Ruckman (2) p 132.
The TBS publication-see above-states that only 2 Greek manuscripts (Aleph and B) out of a total of 620 which contain the Gospel of Mark, omit the verses. See Burgon, cited by Fuller (33) p 60-1. Moreover, Burgon, ibid p 67, states that a blank space has been left in B, where the verses should have been but where the scribe obviously omitted them.
As further evidence in favour of the verses, Burgon (14) p423, (3) p 169, cites: 2nd Century: Old Latin and Peshitta Syriac versions, Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian; 3rd Century: Coptic and Sahidic versions, Hippolytus, Vincentius, 'Acta Pilati'-by an unknown author, Apostolic Constitutions; 4th Century: Curetonian Syriac and Gothic versions, Syriac table of Canons, Eusebius, Macarius Magnes, Aphraates, Didymus, The Syriac "Acts of the Apostles," Epiphanius, Leontius, Ephraem, Ambrose, Chrysostom, Jerome, Augustine; 5th Century: Armenian version (some copies), Codices A and , Leo, Nestorius, Cyril of Alexandria, Victor of Antioch, Patricius, Marius Mercator; 6th and 7th Centuries: Codex D, Georgian and Ethiopic versions, Hesychius, Gregentius, Prosper, Archbishop John of Thessalonica, Bishop Modestus of Jerusalem.
The TBS also cites the Philoxenian Syriac of the 5th century as containing the verses. Hills and Ruckman also cite Tatian (2nd century) as quoting the verses. Hills (3) p 162, (38) p 134, states that besides Aleph and B, the Sinaitic Syriac-from the same source as Aleph, 2 manuscripts of the Georgian version and 62 of the Armenian version omit the verses. The Old Latin manuscript k has the "short conclusion" instead of verses 9-20. See notes for NEB, NWT. Burgon (33) p 81-2, explains how this short ending has been obtained solely from Codex L, an 8th or 9th century manuscript "with an exceedingly vicious text" (ibid). Hills explains the omission of verses 9-20 from the above handful of documents as indicative of the work of heretics, especially docetists who sought to de-emphasise post resurrection appearances of the Lord from the Gospel record, ibid p 166-8, p 138-41.
Burgon (33) p 49-60 also demonstrated that the supposed adverse testimony of ancient writers is spurious, resting on a quotation from Eusebius which does NOT deny verses 9-20. Berry's Greek text supports this passage.
Let's take a look at the two "oldest and best" manuscripts that delete the last twelve verses of Mark 16. The Vaticanus (Codex B) and Sinaiticus (Codex Aleph):
The Vatican copy stops short at the end of Mark 16, verse eight. But the copiest left a blank space sufficient to accommodate the twelve missing verses! This is the only vacant column in the whole Vaticanus manuscript! It seems that the copyist knew that there was a portion missing in the copy before him. Dean John William Burgon draws the obvious conclusion that the scribe who prepared Vaticanus "was instructed to leave them out, and he obeyed; but he prudently left a blank space in memoriam rei. Never was blank more intelligible! Never was silence more eloquent!" (op. cit., p. 67, "Last Twelve Verses of St. Mark," 1871).
As for the Sinaiticus manuscript, it is written in the same-size letters throughout until you come to the place where the last twelve verses of Mark belong, then the letters become large and spread out, taking up enough extra space to allow the last twelve verses of Mark to appear in the smaller letters that had been used up until this time. The double page containing the end of Mark and the beginning of Luke was removed at an early date and replaced with the four sides rewritten to exclude Mark 16:9-21! By slightly increasing the size of the letters and spaces, the writer was able to extend his shortened version to the top of the column preceding Luke one. Tischendorf, the discoverer of the Sinaiticus copy, alleged that these pages were written by the copyists of the Vaticanus manuscript.
So much for the so-called evidence from the two "oldest" manuscripts; if anything they testify to the authenticity of the last twelve verses of Mark. ..." - http://ecclesia.org/truth/manuscript_evidence.html
Additionally:"... Main line Bibles always had it: AV (KJB), HF & CR*; Tyndale, Great, Geneva, Bishops, Stephanus, Th. Beza, Elzivir bro., E, 238, 239, 440, 475-2nd. cor., 477, 486, 488, 489, 1071, & etc. ..." - https://brandplucked.webs.com/mark16920.htm
Basically in 10,000's of MSS.
if that's the only thing these videos have to say about Jesus, i already know that, and it's definitely not worth 8 hours of watching youtube hoping to still be awake for the 3 seconds it takes to say that, buried in here someplace
so please tell me a lot more about Jesus and a lot less about some foreign language translation?
so far by my tally the amount of Jesus in this thread = 0
:sadface:
Come on Allen we can go to your website to read this .
You are Allen right? That’s the name from the website site that a lot of this cut and paste is coming from .
Just waiting for your thread about NWT . Lots of this stuff is on other forums about NWT .
Your a busy guy Allen.
Blessings
Bill
Bahahahahaha! Just as I expected... circular reasoning from a KJV-onlyist!
You'd do better to think through your citations before posting them. It's patently ridiculous to claim that an 1894 translation of the KJV into Greek is any kind of a supporting reference for the KJV.
WOW You go Spiritdove05. I have done some research and bible comparesons on the NIV as well and I found that the NIV is so corrupted that they had to produce a new Strongs Concordance to match the NIV because you can't use the original.
We should all remember that the NIV was developed by the International Bible Society which means that they are a corrupted and compromised organization and all of their produced bible versions should be considered to be corrupted as well.
I am not "Allen". I will place my hand upon the KJB and so raise my other hand to heaven upon it.