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A thin veneer of religious words to cover a dark and sinister institution.

A church that upholds the father and son does not send children of God to their death time and time again.
 
i want to be clear. i love your passion for Jesus... im just saying... other religions arent totally bad... The truth is, i pray that sin can be our place where we put objectively wrong values... religion is a philosophy of life, a knowledge of some kind of belief... Sin is the real enemy
 
Tart said:
i want to be clear. i love your passion for Jesus... im just saying... other religions arent totally bad... The truth is, i pray that sin can be our place where we put objectively wrong values... religion is a philosophy of life, a knowledge of some kind of belief... Sin is the real enemy
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There is no grey when it comes to the Gospel...it is a singular truth
 
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Be specific... first tell me are you Catholic?
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no, im on the hunt for a church... i have been to Rome, i love the Vatican, i research all kinds of literature that is written by the saints, who preserved the Christian Faith up through the middle ages... but a question posed to me recently by many people is that i have to find "the true church"... and is there one? im not going to say yes or no right now... im going to start to go to 3 churches a week to seek them out
 
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no, im on the hunt for a church... i have been to Rome, i love the Vatican, i research all kinds of literature that is written by the saints, who preserved the Christian Faith up through the middle ages... but a question posed to me recently by many people is that i have to find "the true church"... and is there one? im not going to say yes or no right now... im going to start to go to 3 churches a week to seek them out
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I have been to Rome as well several times... the Vatican is a structure meant to be imposing to fend off enemies, maybe architecturally interesting but nothing else, there is no truth to be had in that institution.

Find a church that does not deny the Father and Son, a church that actually preaches the Gospel.
 
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I have been to Rome as well several times... the Vatican is a structure meant to be imposing to fend off enemies, maybe architecturally interesting but nothing else, there is no truth to be had in that institution.

Find a church that does not deny the Father and Son, a church that actually preaches the Gospel.
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I sure hope they dont deny the Son and the Father...

Though i do agree that oppressive authorities may or may not seep into places... which is certainly concerning...

But the Vatican is a structure on the grave of Peter... Saint Peters Basilica's dome supposedly can shine a lazer straight down to the tomb
right under the Latin inscription "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."


If they have denied Christ... They need our prayers.. and so does the world... becuase the catholic church is a critical authority. It is prophetically instituted as the authority
 
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I sure hope they dont deny the Son and the Father...

Though i do agree that oppressive authorities may or may not seep into places... which is certainly concerning...

But the Vatican is a structure on the grave of Peter... Saint Peters Basilica's dome supposedly can shine a lazer straight down to the tomb
right under the Latin inscription "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."


If they have denied Christ... They need our prayers.. and so does the world... becuase the catholic church is a critical authority. It is prophetically instituted as the authority
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It really is not, and Peter did not start the Catholic Church

But I agree they Catholics need our prayers for sure.
 
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EleventhHour said:
It really is not, and Peter did not start the Catholic Church

But I agree they Catholics need our prayers for sure.
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I am really concerned with truth. It is very important that the words we say have value in them. Especially if we are going to condemn someone or something... In fact... you might not want to do that... that is a pretty bad thing to do... If we want to discuss some kind of "wrong", or objective value.. Some kind of sin... something... we could do that. But to flat out go around claiming people are rejecting God, and the catholic church of all places... Maybe they struggle with things? i dont even know what you are talking about.. but what if they struggle with truth ? (im hypothesizing) should we just condemn them?

This is a problem... I might think of a person judging me... And the sad reality is that it has probably happened among you Christians, for this that and the other... Now think about this, a group of people go around just flat out proclaiming "they arent Christian"... dude that is slander... Have you ever talked to the pope? Do you know his heart? I almost picture you as a girl from my old church who may have condemned me to all kinds of people, and never said a word to me...

It might not had happened, might had happened... but this would be very concerning... this kind of talk, about who is a Christian and who isnt, espeicially based on some kind of hidden knwoledge yoiu hold...

No explanation.. No saying "they did this wrong", just flat out proclaiming them to be damned... Kind of concerning
 
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But to flat out go around claiming people are rejecting God,
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I never said this at all, I am talking about the institution and its doctrines, not people.

I am glad you value truth that is important.
I hope you find what you are looking for.
 
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I am really concerned with truth. It is very important that the words we say have value in them. Especially if we are going to condemn someone or something... In fact... you might not want to do that... that is a pretty bad thing to do... If we want to discuss some kind of "wrong", or objective value.. Some kind of sin... something... we could do that. But to flat out go around claiming people are rejecting God, and the catholic church of all places... Maybe they struggle with things? i dont even know what you are talking about.. but what if they struggle with truth ? (im hypothesizing) should we just condemn them?

This is a problem... I might think of a person judging me... And the sad reality is that it has probably happened among you Christians, for this that and the other... Now think about this, a group of people go around just flat out proclaiming "they arent Christian"... dude that is slander... Have you ever talked to the pope? Do you know his heart? I almost picture you as a girl from my old church who may have condemned me to all kinds of people, and never said a word to me...

It might not had happened, might had happened... but this would be very concerning... this kind of talk, about who is a Christian and who isnt, espeicially based on some kind of hidden knwoledge yoiu hold...

No explanation.. No saying "they did this wrong", just flat out proclaiming them to be damned... Kind of concerning
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You have really read way beyond my words and are adding a lot I did not state.
 
though i love your passion... i do... im just thinking about it... it might be very damning to go around... this could have negative impacts on the church ...

"13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

Im not saying sometimes an authority may be questioned for their actions, however you better not take it lightly and just go around saying so... This brings all kinds of judgement, on both sides...
 
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though i love your passion... i do... im just thinking about it... it might be very damning to go around... this could have negative impacts on the church ...

"13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

Im not saying sometimes an authority may be questioned for their actions, however you better not take it lightly and just go around saying so... This brings all kinds of judgement, on both sides...
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I was Catholic so I know of that of which I speak, I know all too well sadly.
 
EleventhHour said:
Ask something specific then, and I will answer but it will be tomorrow.
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How are you? How is your faith? What is your fruits?

One of my biggest questions in life is why should i care about things? The world goes crazy, in fear and paranoia, The catholic church might not necessarily interest me, though it could. Some of those Vatican library books im trying to get a hold of. I bet they got some things in there that would blow my mind.
 
The secret of secrets, the jews write about. associated with the god head. or the grand grimoire that tells the story of how popes become evil, its on my list. the secrets of the temple.
 
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