Muslim Religion Started by Catholic Church

Whispered · Mar 20, 2020

This thread is a damned shame. Lumping hate for two groups of people totaling in the billions in membership. No differentiation. No recognition that there are extremists. Just clobbering the Pope, due to hatred of Catholicism, and using that as a vehicle to implicate Islam.

I know Christian forums that forbid those who identify as Atheist from joining. Bless them.

bojack · Mar 20, 2020

Is this true

Platosgal · Mar 20, 2020

Whispered said:

"mentally ill, narcissist, orphan, illiterate, and a mastermind.
Noted, that was the wrong choice of words, it should have been CRIMINAL MIND

Study Islam...then get back to me, if you are impressed by its cultural devastation, its antisemitism, its Child Brides, and Dancing boys for clerics pleasures, its girls in cages as sex slaves and "Scriptures" giving demonic permission to do the most vile actions under their false god, if you still want to embrace this..I would consider taking down the cross and putting on a Hijab.

JeremiahsCup · Mar 20, 2020

The idolatrous religion of Islam was started by the arab Mohammad. Mohammad claimed to have received visions and commands from an angel in a cave claiming to represent Mohammad's clan of Qurayash's demon, the idol of which he established in the Kaaba of Mecca by his own hands earlier in his life. Mohammad would go on and, mostly by the talents of his associates whom were likewise wicked and variously duped by Mohammad, notably Ali, Umar, Khalid ibn Walid, and Abu Bakr they conquer the other pagan arabs around them and solidify the worship of his idol only. They continue in the ritualistic way the arabs have worshipped their idols for millennia, albeit clothed now instead of naked even to this day. Mohammad's successors would fight themselves and expand, and conquer the kingdoms and the races of the South.

Within the generation of Mohammad's Companions, they established the Quran, the Recitation of the lies this supposed angel told to Mohammad and therefore the Quran's narrator is not God. It is not even Mohammad, but rather it is the being that at first identified itself as an angel, but is variously commented by the earliest biographers like Ibn Ishaq and the Hadith and surrounding early texts that form the Islamic canon, to be either a demon or even Satan himself. Regardless of whether an angel, a demon, or Satan; the Quran and Islam are not of the One True Lord God Almighty.

The fate of the muslim pagans in the religion of Truth is to be thrown away into the lake of fire forever and ever. All who kiss the abomination of Mecca and turn themselves wherever they are on earth to bow down to her idol, they will be made to drink the wine of the Lord God's wrath. They will be made to drink it to the dregs and it will make them mad and drunk with fear and fury for the great and terrible sword of the Lord God shall chase them all across the face of the earth and devour their flesh and drink their blood. But for those that turn away from the abomination of Mohammad they shall have peace, praise Jesus.

Tart · Mar 20, 2020

I have spoken with many Muslims and i see some feel like they have a spirit of being at war with Christianity, though i have conversed with many reasonable Muslims about the faith they have, and the Christian faith as well... And to myself... I wonder about the nature of Islam, the purpose, meaning, etc... If we believe God designed our world, then maybe there is meaning in all things? Islam itself is born from the Arabs, who claim to be offspring of Ishmael, first son of Abraham, and I think the prophecy in Genesis 16 is telling..

11 And the angel also said, “You are now pregnant and will give birth to a son. You are to name him Ishmael (which means ‘God hears’), for the Lord has heard your cry of distress. 12 This son of yours will be a wild man, as untamed as a wild donkey! He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live in open hostility against all his relatives.”

It is even said that Gabriel the Archangel gave Muhammad the Quran, so i have heard, or told him to write it down... Given that i believe in God, and Jesus, and the Angles, i personally believe it is reasonable to believe that the Quran was revealed to Muhammad.

The problem is, is there is a lot of things that dont align with the faith of Christianity, and that contradict it. Jesus must had died on the cross for our salvation and faith to be possible, which Islam teaches us otherwise.. So how do we rectify these things? or how would Islam rectify the fact that they believe in the Christian Bible, and the Quran (similar to what I believe as a Christian... As i put metaphysical meaning in all things, as part of design)...

Does evil exist? Yes... Does lies and deception exist? Yes... Am i will to flat out proclaim Islam as a false religion? I would need some valid reasoning to do so. Shoot i have a hard time rectifying the 4 different Resurrection accounts myself. So i ponder these things...

I have been told that it is taught that Muslims can lie to your face, faithfully... In my book that would be a sin... That is breaking laws of Moses, and deception.. And lies come from Satan... However, in a sense i agree with the law... Muslims uphold the law by force, which isnt necessarily a Christian value, but Paul said "We agree the law is good". And Paul said that the Abraham fulfilled the law by living faithful, and when Paul spoke of that he was talking about gentiles not associated with the Jews (when he talked of the circumcision in the Book of Romans)...

Paul said, whose who are not in the Jewish faith, or under the Jewish law, can uphold the law by living faithfully.. And I think I may agree with that for all people, to live faithful is to be righteous "Just as it is written "The righteous will live by Faith"... And the Arabs are decedents of Abraham, if you believe in the Bible...

So id finish by saying, we must not be at war with each other, but uphold the righteousness of God by living faithful to our God. Unless we start to question if sin, or some kind of actions that fall short of the example Jesus taught us, is necessary. (for example "retaliation", instead of "turning the other cheek")... Which is also another question i ponder, but im not willing to support it without careful consideration.

Bede · Mar 20, 2020

Whispered said:

Wow!. How did you get that bit of hate from what I said?

Bede · Mar 20, 2020

Platosgal said:

There are extremists in Islam but don't confuse sincere (if mistaken), honest, law abiding muslims with them.

Jimbone · Mar 20, 2020

Whispered said:

He's not wrong, and no the equivalency you're trying to make here doesn't work at all. we have to go to the teachings, to whats written and that is where you find the corruption. Jesus never tells us to blow up anything, Mohammed and Allah do command believers to "slay them where you find them". Nobody is saying every Muslim is evil, nobody, but what we do say is that Islam at it's core is wickedly depraved and completely worthy of condemnation. We as Christians are not doing our duties if we don't call this deception leading a billion to hell. What are you saying here? They are good like they are? They don't need the truth and King Jesus?

Lucy-Pevensie · Mar 20, 2020

Islam is anti-christ. Literally. Opposed to Christ.
And more than a religion but a religious-law system that dictates control over every aspect of life.

To be Muslim one must declare belief that Mohammed is "the seal of the prophets"
Meaning he has the last word over the line of prophets from Moses including Jesus. And no other prophet can come after him.

"There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger"

Islam denies the father, and the son.

And say: "All the praises and thanks be to Allah, Who has not begotten a son (nor an offspring), and Who has no partner in (His) Dominion, nor He is low to have a Wali (helper, protector or supporter). And magnify Him with all the magnificence, [Allahu-Akbar (Allah is the Most Great)]."

Qur'an
Chapter (17) sūrat l-isrā (The Night Journey)

Catholics do not deny the father and the son.

Bede · Mar 20, 2020

bojack said:

Into Catholic bashing now!

Subhumanoidal · Mar 20, 2020

Bede said:

Well, on this protestant site, where the Official stance is "Catholic is not Christian", it's no surprise people speak openly against it. Most on this site take a dim view of Catholocism.

TheIndianGirl · Mar 20, 2020

Muslims are taught to be suspicious or even dislike Christians from a young age, however not all Muslims are extremists. We have social events at church open to everyone such as nearby apartments, there are a few Muslim kids there but their parents made it clear that they do not want their kids to enter the sanctuary. Muslims view the Bible as corrupt, and think that we believe Jesus is the son of God and Mary which they find blasphemous against God. Also, extremist Muslims associate all the "West" as Christian which they see as evil/ungodly due to sinful activities you find at Las Vegas, twerking, MTV, etc. They see the devil in this. They also see us as anti-Muslim if we are pro-Israel. Muslims are set in their beliefs just like devout Christians. I do not think devout Muslims and devout Christians can become close friends.

EleventhHour · Mar 20, 2020

Lucy-Pevensie said:

Islam is anti-christ. Literally. Opposed to Christ.
And more than a religion but a religious-law system that dictates control over every aspect of life.

To be Muslim one must declare belief that Mohammed is "the seal of the prophets"
Meaning he has the last word over the line of prophets from Moses including Jesus. And no other prophet can come after him.

"There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger"

Islam denies the father, and the son.

And say: "All the praises and thanks be to Allah, Who has not begotten a son (nor an offspring), and Who has no partner in (His) Dominion, nor He is low to have a Wali (helper, protector or supporter). And magnify Him with all the magnificence, [Allahu-Akbar (Allah is the Most Great)]."

Qur'an
Chapter (17) sūrat l-isrā (The Night Journey)

Catholics do not deny the father and the son.

The Catholic Church does deny both Father and Son ... and the adherents have no clue of such.

Tart · Mar 20, 2020

Lucy-Pevensie said:

hmm... I might agree with you based on the Epistles of John (1 John 4:2-3)... On that specifically, though this religion is an Abrahamic religion. They are sons of Abraham none the less...

The problem is this... What do you do about it?

Lets take it that it is a antichrist religion. What do you do about it? About theology? About matters of theology?

I talk to many Muslims. Perhaps to just rebuke plainly "Jesus is the Son of God" if it comes up... Though the golden question is this... What good is it? What good are our Words? What good comes of it?

"Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves."~Romans 14

Personally im fascinated with all religions... Especially Abraham religions... There seems to be some kind of dynamic within them that is mystical, authoritative, in nature... supernatural... And the Greeks? An epic mythology that takes my mind away

Tart · Mar 20, 2020

EleventhHour said:

explain yourself... i pray for the catholic church... founded on the rock of Peter... what church is greater then Catholicism ?

Lucy-Pevensie · Mar 20, 2020

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Tart said:

hmm... I might agree with you based on the Epistles of John (1 John 4:2-3)... On that specifically, though this religion is an Abrahamic religion. They are sons of Abraham none the less...

The problem is this... What do you do about it?

Lets take it that it is a antichrist religion. What do you do about it? About theology? About matters of theology?

I talk to many Muslims. Perhaps to just rebuke plainly "Jesus is the Son of God" if it comes up... Though the golden question is this... What good is it? What good are our Words? What good comes of it?

"Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves."~Romans 14

Personally im fascinated with all religions... Especially Abraham religions... There seems to be some kind of dynamic within them that is mystical, authoritative, in nature... supernatural... And the Greeks? Another mythology that takes my mind away

It's not Abrahamic at all. The claims of Islam are false.

Tart · Mar 20, 2020

lol... could you imagine "get your d*** theology right! in order to go to heaven you need to believe in Jesus!"

maybe my dream of peace in beliefs is passing??

A question is how do you save people? I suppose the only people who can be saved are those open for such things. The only way people will be open for it is by our Holy Spirit witnessing to them such things

"By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."~Jesus

shoot, im starting to question... do we even love each other?

EleventhHour · Mar 20, 2020

Tart said:

If this is what you believe I doubt I have anything I could state that would persuade you.

Tart · Mar 20, 2020

Lucy-Pevensie said:

By false you may mean they are not what you believe to be true, based on your faith in Jesus

Tart · Mar 20, 2020

EleventhHour said:

Im open for any evidence... You made a claim... if you dont wish to justify your words, so be it... why slander then?

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