Has the second coming occurred already?
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Look to everyone here I am sorry if I have hurt any feelings with the way I word things, but all feelings aside not 1 person in here is dealing with the issue I'm bringing up. You are ALL just saying "your mean, offensive, mouthy, a heretic, and not one of you has answered a thing about the "3rd temple dilemma". Please if my view that everyone here seems to HATE, names heresy, and are willing to strait up transgress Jesus commands to us all in emotional floods, if it is so stupid, so ridiculous, then please please please be the means God uses to lead me to the truth. Help me work through this "3rd temple dilemma" that in my mind makes ANY future temple illogical, pointless, and completely backwards.
Here is my problem laid out as clearly as I can put it.
1. I believe scripture is close, more specifically that God will reveal nothing new, His word is in the bible. We are told clearly that His word will not be added to.
2. I believe that everything the temple was pointing to has been fulfilled, everything.
3. I believe that the Abomination of Desolation spoken of in Daniel and Revelation takes place in Gods temple.
4. I believe that in order for there to be a "God'd temple", that God has to command it built. I believe that a group of men getting together and building a building and calling it gods temple dose not make it so.
5. I do not believe a temple made by men is what is spoken of concerning the A. of D., I believe that HAS to be in God's temple like it says
6. I do not believe anywhere in scripture God commands us to build another temple, a 3rd temple. I am willing to be shown if I missed it.
So can you see my problem with the idea that all this stuff is coming, when Jesus Himself was very specific about the time frame of these things ALL happening within a generation, and what do you know within a generation Gods temple was pulled down brick by brick in that time frame. Yet I'm the stupid one with ideas so far fetched as to deserve to face condemnation from the rest of the body, seemingly.
I'd say this is a pretty glaring problem for the idea of another temple at all, and why? Because my King said "It is finished!" Did He not? So instead of just calling me mean, saying I'm attacking, or calling me a mouthy hypocrite, please some body stand firm on your belief and help me through this. Thank you.
Here is my problem laid out as clearly as I can put it.
1. I believe scripture is close, more specifically that God will reveal nothing new, His word is in the bible. We are told clearly that His word will not be added to.
2. I believe that everything the temple was pointing to has been fulfilled, everything.
3. I believe that the Abomination of Desolation spoken of in Daniel and Revelation takes place in Gods temple.
4. I believe that in order for there to be a "God'd temple", that God has to command it built. I believe that a group of men getting together and building a building and calling it gods temple dose not make it so.
5. I do not believe a temple made by men is what is spoken of concerning the A. of D., I believe that HAS to be in God's temple like it says
6. I do not believe anywhere in scripture God commands us to build another temple, a 3rd temple. I am willing to be shown if I missed it.
So can you see my problem with the idea that all this stuff is coming, when Jesus Himself was very specific about the time frame of these things ALL happening within a generation, and what do you know within a generation Gods temple was pulled down brick by brick in that time frame. Yet I'm the stupid one with ideas so far fetched as to deserve to face condemnation from the rest of the body, seemingly.
I'd say this is a pretty glaring problem for the idea of another temple at all, and why? Because my King said "It is finished!" Did He not? So instead of just calling me mean, saying I'm attacking, or calling me a mouthy hypocrite, please some body stand firm on your belief and help me through this. Thank you.
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Exactly ...it is finished.
Natural man (no faith) as sign seekers . They seek after the things seen the temporal . Christians walk by faith the unseen eternal.
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet
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If Jesus said so clearly, you should be able to provide some scriptural support.
He did say to Jerusalem "For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Math 23:39
Until........... indicates he will return under the right circumstances.
He did say to Jerusalem "For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Math 23:39
Until........... indicates he will return under the right circumstances.
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No literal eye. The eye of faith . Like a flash of lighting from the east to the west. . like a thief in the night .
The proper prescription must be applies so that we can watch for Him like Noah. he still came as a thief in the night. God does not number the last days. they are signified by the metaphor thousand years in that parable. . used 9 timed in the bible.Not once to represent a literal thousand years. Those who literalize removed the signified understanding and made it into some kind of sign and wonder thing.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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God is not a man as us.
What circumstances when compared to that which Christ informs us? Another demonstration of the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world . . and the unseen father working as one?
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
What circumstances when compared to that which Christ informs us? Another demonstration of the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world . . and the unseen father working as one?
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
I believe there will be a literal Temple, where the anti christ will declare himself god. But I also believe that human beings themselves are the Temple of God.
So those receiving the mark of the beast will be in effect allowing the antichrist to sit on the throne of every human heart that accepts it.
So those receiving the mark of the beast will be in effect allowing the antichrist to sit on the throne of every human heart that accepts it.
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So you won't answer my question either? Unbelievable. To answer your question, yes I do believe that happen. I can get really into it tell you why I believe this happen, who I think it was, what historical documents and accounts seem to support it, but the whole point of that post was to see if you could stand on what you believe and explain to me how a 3rd temple could be, but like everyone else on the futurist side all you can do is point fingers. So sad, none of you can even explain to me what you believe. Is this not telling?
I have no idea what this means as far as how you apply scripture to explain how a 3rd temple is possible. I have no idea whats so ever how these words answer that at all. Can you please explain to me a little more clearly? I'm sorry I'm just not following.
I have no idea what this means as far as how you apply scripture to explain how a 3rd temple is possible. I have no idea whats so ever how these words answer that at all. Can you please explain to me a little more clearly? I'm sorry I'm just not following.
So answer me this, what "temple" of these two is being referenced concerning the Abomination of Desolation? Because it's very clear to me this is Gods temple, the temple He commanded built and that was used in the Jewish sacrifices. You said "I believe there will be a literal Temple". How? Did God command another one built?
The world would behold Jesus no more until it was time for Him to return, not ever. Obviously it meant that the Lord would remain in heaven until it was time for Him to return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. We have plenty of scriptures demonstrating the Lord's return which I have listed below.
"In a little while you will see Me no more, and then after a little while you will see Me."
"On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south."
"Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson? Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of his strength? "It is I, proclaiming victory, mighty to save."
"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.
"Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."
"In a little while you will see Me no more, and then after a little while you will see Me."
"On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south."
"Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson? Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of his strength? "It is I, proclaiming victory, mighty to save."
"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.
"Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."
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