Thanks for clearing that up. How can God not have created sin? God promulgated his laws for people to obey. Disobedience of those laws is what?
Does man have a libertarian free will?
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Where does it say in the bible that people are regenerated before they hold faith in the re-generator?
Now I know how you folks think it works.
But that doesn't mean I don't understand it. I just very much disagree.
Well make up your mind.
Do you need Him or are you causing yourself to be sinless and causing yourself to have a new heart and a new spirit?
Its one or the other.
You need a Saviour or you save yourself.
Maybe it is you who doesn't understand how it works.
That's exactly what you are insinuating.
Either be perfect according to the Law and make yourself a new heart and a new spirit or Call on a Saviour.
I'm not kicking against the Holy Word of God. I'm showing you that the reason for Christianity is because NO ONE could do what Ez 18 is telling them to do.
That would be ABSURD, since the gift of the Holy Spirit is only given to those who repent and believe. And it is only AFTER receiving the Spirit that regeneration occurs. God does not give His Spirit to unbelieving sinners in order to make them believe. But the Holy Spirit convicts and convinces before conversion.
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actually, if you will read Romans you will find that Paul states that the law EXPOSES the sin we all have
the simple explanation for the meaning of sin is 'missing the mark'
we have all missed God's mark and we know it because of the law
4Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 5For when we lived according to the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, bearing fruit for death. 6But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
God’s Law Is Holy
7What then shall we say? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed, I would not have been mindful of sin if not for the law. For I would not have been aware of coveting if the law had not said, “Do not covet.”a 8But sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from the law, sin is dead.
9Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10So I discovered that the very commandment that was meant to bring life actually brought death. 11For sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through the commandment put me to death.
12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good.
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I had a couple super snarky things I was going to post.
But maybe I'm growing up...
Have you ever made a choice not based on a reason? For no reason at all? God works all things, including the reasons we base our choices on, after the counsel of his own will.
“In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:” Ephesians 1:11 (KJV 1900)
Does every reason come from God? I eat because I’m hungry. I choose to eat a slice of pizza because I’ve had it before and it tastes good. Did God cause me to make that choice?
The Ephesians passage is concerning our future redemption. God has guaranteed it will work out for those in Christ.
Some things come from walking after the flesh. Some are beguiled to follow false doctrine.
Why do we pray to God not to lead us into temptation if the power resides in us? Or ask his blessing if it is in our own power?