Will faith-healers step out in faith and heal Corona virus victims? I doubt it.

[crossnote]

So we have Malchus there to arrest Jesus, and he even told his relative later about the incident so that the relative could identify who were Jesus followers.

The text never said anything about Malchus telling his relative anything. That is simply you reading into the text. The Holy Spirit simply indicated that the servant was a relative of Malchus.

However, since you believe that Jesus cannot heal unbelievers, it is understandable that you will decline to take a stand when it comes to Malchus.

Another false assumption about me. I dare you to find anywhere in my writings that I stated Jesus CAN"T heal unbelievers. Jesus can heal whoever, whenever, however He wishes. My question was where in Scripture (simply out of curiosity) is there a physical healing of an unbeliever. I never stated that Jesus was so impotent that He couldn't do so. Big difference.

 

[crossnote]

I think I am now understanding some of the misunderstandings of the members here.

Some have a very unbiblical concept of faith.

To think one can not build their faith or move from fear to faith is astonishing.

In the Scriptures I read that faith is a gift, not something we drum up on our own otherwise we see certain people boasting about 'THEIR' faith...
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (Eph 2:8)
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17)
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. (Rom 3:27)

And as a reminder...

1 Corinthians 13:2 (KJV) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

 

[Absolutely]

In the Scriptures I read that faith is a gift, not something we drum up on our own otherwise we see certain people boasting about 'THEIR' faith...
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (Eph 2:8)
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17)
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. (Rom 3:27)

And as a reminder...

1 Corinthians 13:2 (KJV) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

2 cor 10
Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly,

1 thes 3 10
Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?
2 thes 1:3
We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;

2 Tim 1 19
Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

There is more.

What I am showing you is that after faith is imparted it is a starting place.
Then I either grow in faith and am seeing God move proportionately or am stagnant standing still.
Or am growing fearful and LOSING faith.

 

[crossnote]

2 cor 10
Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly,

1 thes 3 10
Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?
2 thes 1:3
We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;

2 Tim 1 19
Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

There is more.

What I am showing you is that after faith is imparted it is a starting place.
Then I either grow in faith and am seeing God move proportionately or am stagnant standing still.
Or am growing fearful and LOSING faith.

Of course we are to grow in faith. And on that note, this exchange is growing wearisome and unfruitful.

 

[lightbearer]

Huh? If fire hydrants are yellow, therefore McDonalds. Abracadabra?

oh another one. Ain't you clever.....
Sorry. I don't believe nor have I seen proof that a man can be 100% correct all the time. We are fallible and not all is revealed.

Sad many profess they can not even live to the full potential of the Gospel and yet they think they can grasp other less significant concepts in scripture and judge others who are wrong.

 

[lightbearer]

I have asked you twice if you r sda

I am not here for that. But since you insist.
No I am Scott, and I am Christian.

 

[1ofthem]

oh another one. Ain't you clever.....
Sorry. I don't believe nor have I seen proof that a man can be 100% correct all the time. We are fallible and not all is revealed.

Sad many profess they can not even live to the full potential of the Gospel and yet they think they can grasp other less significant concepts in scripture and judge others who are wrong.

I believe God can do all things. But false prophets need to be called out. God don't make mistakes and if someone is claiming to be a prophet of God, then they are putting their own life on display...If it be found to be false then it definitely needs to be called out...You can't just keep looking over those who claim to be something that they are not because they are misleading others and bringing a reproach on the gospel....

 

[1ofthem]

oh another one. Ain't you clever.....
Sorry. I don't believe nor have I seen proof that a man can be 100% correct all the time. We are fallible and not all is revealed.

Sad many profess they can not even live to the full potential of the Gospel and yet they think they can grasp other less significant concepts in scripture and judge others who are wrong.

Yeah men are fallible, but God is not. If God is telling someone something then it is going to be 100 percent correct every single time. If it ain't 100 percent correct, then be sure it is not of God.

 

[lightbearer]

Yeah men are fallible, but God is not. If God is telling someone something then it is going to be 100 percent correct every single time. If it ain't 100 percent correct, then be sure it is not of God.

Amen brother. However Most don't hear an audible voice. Many are moving through with the Spirit in their heart and mind. It is not always easy to distinguish God's prodding and our own inclinations.
But if some are mislead and teach their misgiving ignorantly that doesn't make that man any less a Christian unless they are exhibiting a nature that is not of Christ.

 

[1ofthem]

Amen brother. However Most don't hear an audible voice. Many are moving through with the Spirit in their heart and mind. It is not always easy to distinguish God's prodding and our own inclinations.
But if some are mislead and teach their misgiving ignorantly that doesn't make that man any less a Christian unless they are exhibiting a nature that is not of Christ.

Is prophecy not supposed to take place through the gift of the Holy Spirit? and not the thoughts of a man. If the Holy Spirit is moving through a man then there would be no false prophecies. If there is then you need to mark that man and avoid him because it is not the Holy Ghost working through him.

I'm not sure, but I think profiting off the word of God would be exhibiting a nature that is not of Christ. I've never read where any of the apostles became rich, but they did have the gifts. Peter said silver and gold have I none, but such as I have I give unto you arise and walk in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[1ofthem]

Be not deceived...God is not mocked...If a man continues to give false prophecies and goes against the Word of the Lord we are to mark that man and avoid him. Yeah, we should pray for him that he would get saved, but he needs to be called out so that others don't fall into the same trap.

 

[lightbearer]

I believe God can do all things. But false prophets need to be called out. God don't make mistakes and if someone is claiming to be a prophet of God, then they are putting their own life on display...If it be found to be false then it definitely needs to be called out...You can't just keep looking over those who claim to be something that they are not because they are misleading others and bringing a reproach on the gospel....

IMO There is an issue with anyone professing anything other than Christ. If one is a prophet no one is going to have to be told. By their fruits you shall know them.

And no one is infallible except God. A prophet is subject to his own inclinations. Everything needs to be weighed in the balances.

Predicting future events is one thing that can be easily discerned by the hearer. Personally if I thought or knew I was a Prophet I would not go by strong feelings in my heart thinking they were from God. I would need the audible voice if I were to share something like that or I would be keeping my mouth shut. I think many who profess are going off their heart. Nothing wrong with that but the heart is easily mislead.

Is prophecy not supposed to take place through the gift of the Holy Spirit? and not the thoughts of a man. If the Holy Spirit is moving through a man then there would be no false prophecies. If there is then you need to mark that man and avoid him because it is not the Holy Ghost working through him.

I'm not sure, but I think profiting off the word of God would be exhibiting a nature that is not of Christ. I've never read where any of the apostles became rich, but they did have the gifts. Peter said silver and gold have I none, but such as I have I give unto you arise and walk in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Amen. But those in the ministry can live off the ministry according to the Spirit (1 Cor 9:13,14). I think to what point is an issue.

Many use the Spirit of prophecy all the time but there are not many Prophets.
Any speaking ministry, such as preaching, teaching, admonishing, exhorting, etc; etc is to be done through the Holy Spirit, through inspiration. They use the Spirit of Prophecy or they are not being done through the power of the Spirit.

Thank you for the conversation. I am enjoying it.

 

[Guojing]

Another false assumption about me. I dare you to find anywhere in my writings that I stated Jesus CAN"T heal unbelievers. Jesus can heal whoever, whenever, however He wishes. My question was where in Scripture (simply out of curiosity) is there a physical healing of an unbeliever. I never stated that Jesus was so impotent that He couldn't do so. Big difference.

Your replies to my Malchus point was confusing on whether you agree or not https://christianchat.com/threads/w...-virus-victims-i-doubt-it.190767/post-4187586 and https://christianchat.com/threads/w...-virus-victims-i-doubt-it.190767/post-4188691

Okay, I am glad you clarified that. We are in agreement then in the statement in bold.

 

[Absolutely]

Of course we are to grow in faith. And on that note, this exchange is growing wearisome and unfruitful.

Now your talking.
Amen.
We both recieve a measure and increase if we ascribe to it.

 

[Absolutely]

Be not deceived...God is not mocked...If a man continues to give false prophecies and goes against the Word of the Lord we are to mark that man and avoid him. Yeah, we should pray for him that he would get saved, but he needs to be called out so that others don't fall into the same trap.

It is only an indicator. No stoning yet.

An unsaved person can give a word ...prophetic word.
A saved person could miss it even though that is his gifting and office.

 

[Absolutely]

Yeah men are fallible, but God is not. If God is telling someone something then it is going to be 100 percent correct every single time. If it ain't 100 percent correct, then be sure it is not of God.

...and justvas we have all been wrong so can be the ones with a prophetic mantle.

All prophecy is to be judged.
No prophet is 100% correct.

 

[Absolutely]

I am not here for that. But since you insist.
No I am Scott, and I am Christian.

What is that 4 times you deflected?
That pretty much says you either are seventh day Adventist or you are just being obtuse.

Try Number 5:
Are you sda?
Seventh day adventist?

 

[1ofthem]

It is only an indicator. No stoning yet.

An unsaved person can give a word ...prophetic word.
A saved person could miss it even though that is his gifting and office.

Who said stoning. I said quit following them around and pretending like they are something when they are not. What did Paul do with the soothsayer that was following him around trying to make a gain? Did he not call her out and cast the demon out of her? Some of these mega church leaders nowadays are just like the soothsayer and the man who was trying to buy the gifts? They do not have it because they have not lived in a way to get it, and they need called out....I am Pentecostal, so you can believe me I do believe in the gifts, but not everything that says it is of God is of God and many of these folks need called out and sit down because they are bringing a reproach on the Word of God.

 

[1ofthem]

...and justvas we have all been wrong so can be the ones with a prophetic mantle.

All prophecy is to be judged.
No prophet is 100% correct.

Folks do not need to be getting up saying God told them something when he did not. Those fakers are the cause that the rest judge the gifts so harshly. Some of these mega churches look more like cults than actual Christians. Some folks are worshiping these fakers just like they are some kind of god, when in all actuality if those folks were ever exposed to the real genuine Spirit of God they would be afraid and hopefully repent. Doesn't appear to me that God is in this multi-million dollar industry...No where have I read anything like that in the New Testament...Also aren't teachers held to a higher standard?

 

[1ofthem]

If folks wanna go jumping around with the wrong spirit then it is on them, but the Bible says to be careful what spirit you entertain, cause you just might bear with it.