Genesis 3:15 and what really happened in the garden of Eden

[AmanII]

There is no such thing as an "addictive word".

It's "Pavlov", not "Pavlo".

The scientific view of sex is irrelevant.

The truth as to what happened is actually recorded in the Bible.

Most people here prefer to avoid the Roman Catholic "church", with very good reason. You should too.

Advice coming from a heathen look at your comments. If Jesus came down and told you the truth in your face you'd disagree with him.
My position here is not to insult rather to encourage. Not to demean rather to uplift.
It's your choice not to receive and embrace the Faith. And besides even if you wanted to become Roman Catholic today you could not!
My church as I have stated before is in eclipse and God's punishment to the world is the great apostasy. Which I have no doubt you are absolutely clueless about.

Remember Jesus Christ said at His first Mass i.e. His last supper; Amen I tell you that unless you drink the blood of the Son of man and eat His flesh you shall have no life in you!" You have no way around this including me! The mass cease to exist April 3rd 1969 the actual day of my Lord's crucifixion. As an ethnic Roman Catholic I was bestowed a lawful baptism however under an unlawfully elected Pope.
There's not one person alive today who has received all the sacraments lawfully. This is a sign of the endtimes. We're left with one remedy the Holy Rosary. Your situation rather your only situation since you are now barred from becoming an Israelite.
Remember you know not the hour of your death and your comments which you indicate to me is that you're square with Lord God.

I am here to tell you that you are not!

You want to learn something fine. But you are casting aspersions. Remember we are told cast not your pearls before swine.
Don't let that be you.

I realize this is well above your paygrade

 

[AmanII]

Since you won't be here anyway, you'll have time to go and look up the fallacy of the excluded middle.

Dino you said to me " Since you won't be here to long anyway... "

Need I remind you that's what the Indians thought when they first saw the white man coming"

 

[AmanII]

I wish that everyone who gets the notion that the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil was sex, would read the narrative that way. Because then they would read that Eve saw that the fruit was good for food, and it makes no sense that she saw that sex was good for food. In fact the whole narrative fall apart. This is how you know that interpreting the text that way is nonsense.
Why is it that our wonderful God who created the whole universe and everything there in, can't have a tree in a garden that serves a specific purpose as he so chooses.

Well do you agree that the edict of " Blessed is the fruit of your womb meaning Jesus Christ is blessed? I certainly hope so.

 

[lightbearer]

Out of wedlock? The sexual union is marriage. No ceremony necessary.

Nice truth John. Maybe rather than telling our children that they need to be married before they have said relations tell them instead that marriage is this relationship between man and woman and it is forever. The idea of marriage, union forever needs to be part of the Spirit of those engaging. And the commitment needs to be placed before God and in God. Otherwise it is just playing the harlot. What say you my friend?

 

[AmanII]

Nice truth John. Maybe rather than telling our children that they need to be married before they have said relations tell them instead that marriage is this relationship between man and woman and it is forever. The idea of marriage, union forever needs to be part of the Spirit of those engaging. And the commitment needs to be placed before God and in God. Otherwise it is just playing the harlot. What say you my friend?

But also keep in mind that Lord God did divorce from His people a one and only time. And that time was when He gave His Church to the Gentiles. The Church at Rome!

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Well do you agree that the edict of " Blessed is the fruit of your womb meaning Jesus Christ is blessed? I certainly hope so.

Sure with out any doubt. But I will not be drawn into a debate about "original sin" being sex. The command to be fruitful and multiply was given before Adam and Eve sinned.

 

[JohnR7]

Would anybody care to chime in.

Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." In verse 14 we read: "So the LORD God said to the serpent". In Rev 12;9 we read: "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

So God was talking to the serpent having a conversation about Eve. This is what we call the generations, genealogies or the scarlet thread in the Bible. Mary is descended from Eve. Eve is her Matriarch and Adam is her Patriarch. The NT starts off with the Genealogies. We read in 1Timothy2:14,15 "And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression. Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control".

Jesus is symbolically birthed in us but also this is very literal for Mary and all the women in her blood line. This is usually determined by the mitochondria in women. In men they go by the Y chromosome. Joseph was Y chromosome Adam. Only most people believe that Jesus received His Y Chromosome from God.

"he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel" is the story of how all of his is played out between Jesus the seed or offspring of Eve and the serpent that deceived Eve and was a manifestation of Satan and his angles. Rev 12:4 "His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child". A third of the stars is believed to mean that 1/3 of the angels follows Satan in his rebellion and they were cast out of Heaven down to the Earth.

 

[lightbearer]

But also keep in mind that Lord God did divorce from His people a one and only time. And that time was when He gave His Church to the Gentiles. The Church at Rome!

Then they as a whole fell away.
LORD GOD,' the God of Heaven and Earth. The GOD of Jacob Isaac and Abraham have mercy on us all.

Praise You Father for the Reformation! You Brought Your Word through Your Son to us all.
No longer a coup by man to be suppressed and controlled under mans authority. For we only have one KING and LORD Jesus Christ. Through whom You have reconciled us to Yourself. For We the Body of Christ the Temple of YOU Father. Thank You for your Spirit. For it is You that work in us both to will and do Your good pleasure. Amen.

 

[AmanII]

Oh...that's typical. Like Jesus said tell me what I have said wrong? If not, why do you strike me?

Sure with out any doubt. But I will not be drawn into a debate about "original sin" being sex. The command to be fruitful and multiply was given before Adam and Eve sinned.

Of course. But to be fruitful and multiply anywhere in the garden except in Lucifer's portal. It is there where God is not What don't you understand?

 

[AmanII]

Then they as a whole fell away.
LORD GOD,' the God of Heaven and Earth. The GOD of Jacob Isaac and Abraham have mercy on us all.

Praise You Father for the Reformation! You Brought Your Word through Your Son to us all.
No longer a coup by man to be suppressed and controlled under mans authority. For we only have one KING and LORD Jesus Christ. Through whom You have reconciled us to Yourself. For We the Body of Christ the Temple of YOU Father. Thank You for your Spirit. For it is You that work in us both to will and do Your good pleasure. Amen.

Lightbearer you sure are living up to your name. Indeed so was Lucifer a lightbearer. Very sad.

 

[lightbearer]

Lightbearer you sure are living up to your name. Indeed so was Lucifer a lightbearer. Very sad.

Lord God have mercy on us all.
Actually lucifer means a lighted one or thing. Here is an excerpt from Mickelson's enhanced Strong's. Lightbearer is mistaken interpretation from the Latin from the Greek not the Hebrew.

H1966 הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale') n-m.
1. something or someone of radiant splendor.
2. (epithet of praise) Radiantly Splendid One.
3. (epithet of rebuke) Boastful One of Radiant Splendor (i.e. as spoken only by Yahweh to the King of Babylon).
4. (in Septuagint, of rebuke) Ἑωσ•φόρος , HeosPhoros, as a placeholder for this Hebrew word, meaning, one carrying it as far as (one can), or carrying it too far (as boastful).
5. (also, astronomically) Ἑωσ•φόρος , HeosPhoros, in a culturally oblique reference to Venus, which can carry its radiance only so far (at dawn and at twilight).
6. (hence, inappropriately reused of time) ἑωσ•φόρος , HeosPhoros, an alternate Septuagint reference to twilight or dawn as the “morning star” (thus causing misconceptions in later translations deriving from the Septuagint, i.e. Latin Vulgate, etc).
7. (positively, in Greek) this Hebrew word could also have been translated as λαμπροσ•φόρος , LamprosPhoros in a positive sense, Bearer of Radiance.
8. (in Latin, mistaken from Greek) φωσ•φόρος , Light Bearer, due to culturally oblique reference to Venus (i.e. as a deity or as an angelic morning-star created to proclaim and celebrate God's glory).
9. (reversal, transliteration from late Latin) LuciFer, as the (fallen) arch-angel.
10. (Note) (Jesus, the Creator, has reclaimed and consolidated any such prior angelic post of Light Bearer in himself).

As to how I came to pick lightbearer as a screen name 12 years or so ago.

It having been made plain that you are Christ's letter, served by us, not having been inscribed by ink, but by the Spirit of the living God, not in tablets of stone, but in fleshly tablets of the heart. And we have such confidence through Christ toward God; Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration (through us the able ministers) of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(2Co 3:3-9; Eph 5:8; Php 2:15; Mat 5:16)

 

[AmanII]

Lord God have mercy on us all.
Actually lucifer means a lighted one or thing. Here is an excerpt from Mickelson's enhanced Strong's. Lightbearer is mistaken interpretation from the Latin from the Greek not the Hebrew.

H1966 הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale') n-m.
1. something or someone of radiant splendor.
2. (epithet of praise) Radiantly Splendid One.
3. (epithet of rebuke) Boastful One of Radiant Splendor (i.e. as spoken only by Yahweh to the King of Babylon).
4. (in Septuagint, of rebuke) Ἑωσ•φόρος , HeosPhoros, as a placeholder for this Hebrew word, meaning, one carrying it as far as (one can), or carrying it too far (as boastful).
5. (also, astronomically) Ἑωσ•φόρος , HeosPhoros, in a culturally oblique reference to Venus, which can carry its radiance only so far (at dawn and at twilight).
6. (hence, inappropriately reused of time) ἑωσ•φόρος , HeosPhoros, an alternate Septuagint reference to twilight or dawn as the “morning star” (thus causing misconceptions in later translations deriving from the Septuagint, i.e. Latin Vulgate, etc).
7. (positively, in Greek) this Hebrew word could also have been translated as λαμπροσ•φόρος , LamprosPhoros in a positive sense, Bearer of Radiance.
8. (in Latin, mistaken from Greek) φωσ•φόρος , Light Bearer, due to culturally oblique reference to Venus (i.e. as a deity or as an angelic morning-star created to proclaim and celebrate God's glory).
9. (reversal, transliteration from late Latin) LuciFer, as the (fallen) arch-angel.
10. (Note) (Jesus, the Creator, has reclaimed and consolidated any such prior angelic post of Light Bearer in himself).

As to how I came to pick lightbearer as a screen name 12 years or so ago.

It having been made plain that you are Christ's letter, served by us, not having been inscribed by ink, but by the Spirit of the living God, not in tablets of stone, but in fleshly tablets of the heart. And we have such confidence through Christ toward God; Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration (through us the able ministers) of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(2Co 3:3-9; Eph 5:8; Php 2:15; Mat 5:16)

I see??? What did Jesus say about Satan? " I saw fall as lightening from the sky."
Wasn't Lucifer consider the star of the morning at one time.
Wasn't the earth covered in darkness before God said " Let there be Light"

 

[John146]

Nice truth John. Maybe rather than telling our children that they need to be married before they have said relations tell them instead that marriage is this relationship between man and woman and it is forever. The idea of marriage, union forever needs to be part of the Spirit of those engaging. And the commitment needs to be placed before God and in God. Otherwise it is just playing the harlot. What say you my friend?

Yes, nothing magically happens to joi two together when saying vows. The marriage is not complete until the two become one flesh. That puts a whole new outlook on the sexual act.

If I know that having sex with this gal means committing to love and take care of her for life, it makes me think twice befor going through with it.

 

[posthuman]

So why did God favor Able and reject Cain?

you have never read Genesis 4?

amazing!

 

[AmanII]

you have never read Genesis 4?

amazing!

Keeping in mind that Cain didn't ask to be born, nevertheless because he was born out of wedlock he is considered the son of Satan.
With that, whenever he made an offering to Lord God daily the offering was rejected. But he questioned God and God replied try harder and do better. Cain didn't like that God accepted Able's offerings and so in a fit of rage Cain slew his brother. Able's righteous blood upon the stained earth spoke out to God.

 

[posthuman]

Jesus Christ said at His first Mass i.e. His last supper

you are not a very knowledgeable catholic.

'mass' is a transliteration from the Latin 'missa' -- which means 'dismissal' with a connotation of sending, being sent. see Thomas Aquinas 'Summa Theologiae' reply to objection 9. the ritual is called 'mass' because in Latin the liturgy closes with 'ite, missa est'

the Seder meal in the upper room was definitely not the first time Christ 'sent' or 'dismissed' anyone.
but if you want to make a connection there, you might consider that Judas was 'sent' at this time, immediately after Satan entered him ((John 13:26-27)). so in the analogy you want to draw - calling this Seder a 'mass' - we have an organized meeting with ritual acts in which Satan enters the one being 'sent' = 'attending mass'
hey maybe there's something to that?
the other 11 were not sent i.e. did not receive 'mass' but instead of receiving mass, received teaching from Christ and stayed with Him to go pray at the garden ((Luke 22:39)). they did not depart from Him until Satan/Judas, the one who had received 'mass' came to strike the Shepherd.

so there's your picture of 'mass' at the last Seder. the one receiving mass receives Satan, and seeks to murder God, an act which scatters the true disciples. how interesting!
i'm actually glad now for you having made that ignorant comment, @AmanII, i have never considered this before. it is indeed a 'first' -- the first ((and only)) time scripture records Satan entering a person. ((notwithstanding your private & perverted misunderstanding of Genesis 3))



i'm wondering what's your opinion of Proverbs 14:7 ?
do you think that is all about sex, too?

 

[John146]

Keeping in mind that Cain didn't ask to be born, nevertheless because he was born out of wedlock he is considered the son of Satan.
With that, whenever he made an offering to Lord God daily the offering was rejected. But he questioned God and God replied try harder and do better. Cain didn't like that God accepted Able's offerings and so in a fit of rage Cain slew his brother. Able's righteous blood upon the stained earth spoke out to God.

Born out of wedlock? So do tell, when did Adam and Eve officially become married?

 

[AmanII]

you are not a very knowledgeable catholic.

'mass' is a transliteration from the Latin 'missa' -- which means 'dismissal' with a connotation of sending, being sent. see Thomas Aquinas 'Summa Theologiae' reply to objection 9. the ritual is called 'mass' because in Latin the liturgy closes with 'ite, missa est'

the Seder meal in the upper room was definitely not the first time Christ 'sent' or 'dismissed' anyone.
but if you want to make a connection there, you might consider that Judas was 'sent' at this time, immediately after Satan entered him ((John 13:26-27)). so in the analogy you want to draw - calling this Seder a 'mass' - we have an organized meeting with ritual acts in which Satan enters the one being 'sent' = 'attending mass'
hey maybe there's something to that?
the other 11 were not sent i.e. did not receive 'mass' but instead of receiving mass, received teaching from Christ and stayed with Him to go pray at the garden ((Luke 22:39)). they did not depart from Him until Satan/Judas, the one who had received 'mass' came to strike the Shepherd.

so there's your picture of 'mass' at the last Seder. the one receiving mass receives Satan, and seeks to murder God, an act which scatters the true disciples. how interesting!
i'm actually glad now for you having made that ignorant comment, @AmanII, i have never considered this before. it is indeed a 'first' -- the first ((and only)) time scripture records Satan entering a person. ((notwithstanding your private & perverted misunderstanding of Genesis 3))



i'm wondering what's your opinion of Proverbs 14:7 ?
do you think that is all about sex, too?

Jesus Is replacing the Seder meal with His very first mass. In fact for the Israelites it has now become know that the Passing -over means coming out of the desert and into the Church Kingdom. In the Passover meal the Israelites were told to slaughter a lamb, place its blood upon the lintel and then consume the Lamb. Jesus Christ and His mass is that new Lamb.

As far as Proverbs is concerned that's not a part of the new covenant or new testament. So you probably mean therefore Saint Paul's wisdom of " See that you walk circumspectly not as fools but as a wise." As far as the former many people here has sipped from that chalice. Certainly you for that fact.

 

[AmanII]

Born out of wedlock? So do tell, when did Adam and Eve officially become married?

Marry means Matrimonial and is a rite associated with motherhood.
Next question...

 

[posthuman]

There's not one person alive today who has received all the sacraments lawfully. This is a sign of the endtimes. We're left with one remedy the Holy Rosary.

it's profoundly sad to see a person who believes salvation is through ritual sacrament administered by a mortal priest.
i am terribly sorry for you, that you think your hope of eternal life hinges on repeating a mantra while fingering some little beads made of a tree.



friend, have you never heard of The Hope and The Way?

I AM the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live, and whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?​

(John 11:25-26) ​

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you thought you came here to teach us; you were deceived. don't stay that way.
perhaps you were drawn here in order to learn something, if you would humble yourself. listen to Jesus. seek Him. God is spirit, and the kingdom is not rite and liturgy, ceremony and pomp; it is life and peace, in spirit and in truth. it is not by human hands that the heart is circumcised, neither is it by the permission or works of a human that we are made partakers with Him.