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That post exposed his true colors and "completely lost Christians" is an oxymoron.
Yeah, it is the same for salvaton.
"For he who comes to God must believe he is', like your analogy, they don't get the car by believing you have a dealership or that you'll give them a free car, they only receive the car if they come to your dealership.
"God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." like your analogy, they don't get the car unless they find their way to your dealership. And you said nothing about where your dealership is located.
But believing there is a God is not faith, nothing suggest one gets the reward for simply believing but rather those that who seek him are rewarded. So did anyone get the car in your analogy who didn't have to work to uncover the location of the dealership since you didn't give them the reward without making them work for it.
So if your analogy of salvation then what was your reward for seeking him? Do you know my reward was for seeking?
"For he who comes to God must believe he is', like your analogy, they don't get the car by believing you have a dealership or that you'll give them a free car, they only receive the car if they come to your dealership.
"God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." like your analogy, they don't get the car unless they find their way to your dealership. And you said nothing about where your dealership is located.
But believing there is a God is not faith, nothing suggest one gets the reward for simply believing but rather those that who seek him are rewarded. So did anyone get the car in your analogy who didn't have to work to uncover the location of the dealership since you didn't give them the reward without making them work for it.
So if your analogy of salvation then what was your reward for seeking him? Do you know my reward was for seeking?
If you would have diligently sought him then you might have heard him ask you if you seriously thought you could find him any more than you can hear his voice unless he speaks to you? But if you had faith then wouldn't have needed to open the spoiler to find out the reward, but if you want something to hope on try reading John 5:25. For what one hopes for one patiently waits.
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I am aware actually.
My post was about being sinless and you brought up Job no one else.
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4183641
So please keep to the question was Job sinless since he is your example?
My post was about being sinless and you brought up Job no one else.
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4183641
So please keep to the question was Job sinless since he is your example?
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It is written that Job knew that his redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: Job 19:25
But apparently you know neither the truth nor the Son, if you did then you would have been made free from sin Rom 6:18
"... because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins." Heb 10:2
You have a strange doctrine.
But apparently you know neither the truth nor the Son, if you did then you would have been made free from sin Rom 6:18
"... because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins." Heb 10:2
You have a strange doctrine.
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You mean "free from sin" like the Pharisees thought they were "free from sin" though.... When we say free from sin, we still struggle with sin because we have deficient bodies, but His eternal judgment itself overlooks or sin, because of our salvation. Our hearts yearn too be perfect, sure, but we do not look to pride to answer the question "are we perfect?" Or "can we be perfect?" Because pride only ever answers yes to those questions....
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Amen, thank you God for having mercy on us all.
We praise you for the mercy and grace that you have bestowed on us all. You have said, If we continue in YOUR word, then are we are your disciples indeed; And we shall know the truth, and the truth shall make us free. (BUT) They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? And YOU answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant (SINNER) abideth not in the house (YOUR House GOD) for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me (US) free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ liveth in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith of YOUR son whom you gave for us, For we have put on Christ, and have become one flesh. A new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of You God, YOU reconciled us to YOURSELF by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; And such trust have we through Christ to YOU God. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of YOU Father forever and ever amen.
(Joh 8:31-36; Rom 8:2-4 6:6-7; 2Co 5:17-18; 2Co 3:4-5 )
We praise you for the mercy and grace that you have bestowed on us all. You have said, If we continue in YOUR word, then are we are your disciples indeed; And we shall know the truth, and the truth shall make us free. (BUT) They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? And YOU answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant (SINNER) abideth not in the house (YOUR House GOD) for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me (US) free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ liveth in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith of YOUR son whom you gave for us, For we have put on Christ, and have become one flesh. A new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of You God, YOU reconciled us to YOURSELF by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; And such trust have we through Christ to YOU God. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of YOU Father forever and ever amen.
(Joh 8:31-36; Rom 8:2-4 6:6-7; 2Co 5:17-18; 2Co 3:4-5 )
That post exposed his true colors and "completely lost Christians" is an oxymoron.
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You have made me think I have to improve my analogy. Thank you. You not only get a free car, but lifetime maintenance of all parts, components, fluids, and fuel, and even car washes. (You are responsible to bring it in for periodic maintenance and car washes, ALTHOUGH PAID FOR--- Equivalent to the Christian's bar of soap 1 John 1:9)
The people are told ALL the information they need to receive the gift. INCLUDING a ride to get there. BUT, most still don't believe, and don't come.
"There MUST be a catch" says one. Another says, " There HAS to be something I am OBLIGATED to do". Another, "There's NO such thing as cars, and certainly NO dealership!" A last one INSISTS, "Yeah, you'll get the free car, but the maintenance costs are YOUR responsibility!"
Also, the idea that Salvation is a reward to win, instead of a free gift from God, is highly offensive to Him who who was silent when His Son sweat Blood in agony, Asking if there were ANY other way.
YOU, did not seek Him on your own accord. If you are a true Child of God, it's because HE drew you to Him.
The people are told ALL the information they need to receive the gift. INCLUDING a ride to get there. BUT, most still don't believe, and don't come.
"There MUST be a catch" says one. Another says, " There HAS to be something I am OBLIGATED to do". Another, "There's NO such thing as cars, and certainly NO dealership!" A last one INSISTS, "Yeah, you'll get the free car, but the maintenance costs are YOUR responsibility!"
Also, the idea that Salvation is a reward to win, instead of a free gift from God, is highly offensive to Him who who was silent when His Son sweat Blood in agony, Asking if there were ANY other way.
YOU, did not seek Him on your own accord. If you are a true Child of God, it's because HE drew you to Him.
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So I put @blue_ladybug in my signature so you can track me everywhere..... and if I am getting in trouble playing the "harlot" you can come rescue me!!!!
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