The Age of the Universe

[JohnR7]

Then he did not to be bound by science.

God uses the laws of Science to Create the Universe. The Universe is very fine tuned. Even my machinist friends work in a tolerance of millionth. We do not always understand. For example Newton and Einstein have very different laws of gravity. No one seems to deny that gravity exists though. We believe that the laws are consistent anywhere you go in the universe. My son is working on a minor degree in applied mathematics. So we know how accurate and precise things are. He is real good at coming up with a formula that makes the math a lot easier and faster to do.

A finger print is 50 millionths thick, enough to cause problems when fitting spindle bearings.
A Sunnen Hone is guaranteed to hold 50 millionths.
A Romicron boring head will hold 80 millionths
A Crystal Lake Grinder can be special ordered with 5 millionths run out on its work head.
A Monarch 10EE was factory tested to hold 30 millionths on a 2" length.
Gage Blocks can be calibrated to about 2 millionths.
The crystal lake grinder is nothing short of amazing, 5 millionths, WOW! How did they do that?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God uses the laws of Science to Create the Universe. The Universe is very fine tuned. Even my machinist friends work in a tolerance of millionth. We do not always understand. For example Newton and Einstein have very different laws of gravity. No one seems to deny that gravity exists though. We believe that the laws are consistent anywhere you go in the universe. My son is working on a minor degree in applied mathematics. So we know how accurate and precise things are. He is real good at coming up with a formula that makes the math a lot easier and faster to do.

A finger print is 50 millionths thick, enough to cause problems when fitting spindle bearings.
A Sunnen Hone is guaranteed to hold 50 millionths.
A Romicron boring head will hold 80 millionths
A Crystal Lake Grinder can be special ordered with 5 millionths run out on its work head.
A Monarch 10EE was factory tested to hold 30 millionths on a 2" length.
Gage Blocks can be calibrated to about 2 millionths.
The crystal lake grinder is nothing short of amazing, 5 millionths, WOW! How did they do that?

It does not Mean he created the stars and had to wait till Light shown
Adam was created an adult. No science there
Eve created from Rib as an adult again no science

 

[bojack]

I read Bryan Sykes book: "The Seven Daughters of Eve". This was actually a very interesting book and shows what is currently know about DNA. If people want to study up on what Science has to say they can. If they do not want to know, then no one is forcing anyone to do anything.

Mitochondria Eve and Y-chromosome Adam proves the bible imo . Any thing that tries to say a group is over 6000 yrs old doesn't understand that there are no good mutations or evolution , only bad harsh living conditions of isolated groups that would reflect it in appearance of age compounded ''bad mutations'' and isolated breeding in harsh conditions .. There is no such thing as evolution ..

 

[JohnR7]

Mitochondria Eve and Y-chromosome Adam proves the bible imo . Any thing that tries to say a group is over 6000 yrs old doesn't understand that there are no good mutations or evolution , only bad harsh living conditions of isolated groups that would reflect it in appearance of age compounded ''bad mutations'' and isolated breeding in harsh conditions .. There is no such thing as evolution ..

Evolution does NOT take into consideration that the Earth is in a fallen condition. So this is going to cause extreme limits in what they can do. Also they are very liberal with what they call a mutation. Mostly because they have all their eggs in one basket. For now this is still the best theory they have and no one has come up with better theory. Something better comes along all the time in science. I use to joke about how science is little more than a soup of the day or a flavor of the week. If you do not like what is on the menu today, then come back tomorrow and it will all be different.

The amazing thing about the Bible is how consistent the Bible has been for all these years.

 

[JohnR7]

It does not Mean he created the stars and had to wait till Light shown

Every element in a star burns a different color. So we an use a spectrograph to determine what elements any star contains.

 

[bojack]

Evolution does NOT take into consideration that the Earth is in a fallen condition. So this is going to cause extreme limits in what they can do. Also they are very liberal with what they call a mutation. Mostly because they have all their eggs in one basket. For now this is still the best theory they have and no one has come up with better theory. Something better comes along all the time in science. I use to joke about how science is little more than a soup of the day or a flavor of the week. If you do not like what is on the menu today, then come back tomorrow and it will all be different.

The amazing thing about the Bible is how consistent the Bible has been for all these years.

I agree , and science is much more wonderful to study and consider now for me than when I was an Atheist who believed anything but the Bible ..

 

[Roughsoul1991]

If we study Gerald Schroeder each day is half the length of the day before. There are lots of published creationists out there but very few of them come up with a model that is acceptable. Even Francis Collins highly respected model has more holes in it than swiss cheese. But he has not put that much time and effort into working on figureing it out. Where Schroeder depends on the Hasidic Kabbalists who have put huge amount of time and effort into understanding the Bible.

No one puts more effort into that then the Hasidic people do.

https://www.joinallofus.org/en/vide...ame-changer-medical-research-and-human-health

I like Hugh Ross's explanation

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Every element in a star burns a different color. So we an use a spectrograph to determine what elements any star contains.

That has nothing to do what my point. So not sure why you would say this

 

[bojack]

I like Hugh Ross's explanation

I love your posts but I'll disagree with Hugh and OEC ''progressive creationalism'' .. I believe that each and every kind were created and equipped with all the DNA needed to breed out to every possibility of that kind we see today or ever .. We can lose information but no new information has ever been added .. It was created in the beginning imo like the Bible says ..

 

[bojack]

It's 20 min but it is one of the best ever vs Darwin's ''simple single cell'' theory .. Dr Tour was a Jew/is who become ''born again'' in Jesus ... must watch

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I love your posts but I'll disagree with Hugh and OEC ''progressive creationalism'' .. I believe that each and every kind were created and equipped with all the DNA needed to breed out to every possibility of that kind we see today or ever .. We can lose information but no new information has ever been added .. It was created in the beginning imo like the Bible says ..

Explain progressive creationalism.

 

[bojack]

Explain progressive creationalism.

ha, like low calorie evolution lite

 

[bojack]

God uses the laws of Science to Create the Universe. The Universe is very fine tuned. Even my machinist friends work in a tolerance of millionth. We do not always understand. For example Newton and Einstein have very different laws of gravity. No one seems to deny that gravity exists though. We believe that the laws are consistent anywhere you go in the universe. My son is working on a minor degree in applied mathematics. So we know how accurate and precise things are. He is real good at coming up with a formula that makes the math a lot easier and faster to do.

A finger print is 50 millionths thick, enough to cause problems when fitting spindle bearings.
A Sunnen Hone is guaranteed to hold 50 millionths.
A Romicron boring head will hold 80 millionths
A Crystal Lake Grinder can be special ordered with 5 millionths run out on its work head.
A Monarch 10EE was factory tested to hold 30 millionths on a 2" length.
Gage Blocks can be calibrated to about 2 millionths.
The crystal lake grinder is nothing short of amazing, 5 millionths, WOW! How did they do that?

True, those tolerances are remarkable .. I set 7 out of 450 large machines and set, shimmed, leveled /aligned them with my machinists level .. The plant mechanics grabbed my level out of my box one day and checked behind me, trying to give me a hard time I guess, they sent for me and said all of them were out of level , all 7 were in the bubble lines but to the rightside line but still well within tolerence.. I took a dollar out and put it under the other side of the level and the bubble went the other way out side the lines .. They never said a word but just started to leave .. I said hey, you see that morning sun shining through those thin windows, that sunshine expanded the right side end of the machines enough to throw them out , come check them again in the morning before the sun hits them or either blind the windows .. God created the laws of science of the universe that we can depend on .. But God can and does regularly intervene supernaturally at our request or simply according to his will ..

 

[JamOn]

Sure God's time is different than our time; His language is different than our language but He speaks to the Prophets in the people's language so it amounts to our understanding of a day equalling God's day. This is why He clarified His meaning of day by adding 'evening and morning, one day'.

Yes He did, the dusk and dawn of a day the twilight, to ancient people’s it was the most elusive parts of a day about 18minutes in the evening and morning when there is visible light but no visible sun. the people used sundials in the daytime and counted stars at night to tell time. Today the world is ruled by the mechanical clock thus the mind is geared by minutes and seconds no longer by sundials and star counting.

 

[JamOn]

During days of rain and storming clouds the ancient people had no way to tell time before the invention of a mechanical clock, they didn’t know what time it was they pretty much guessed it.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

ha, like low calorie evolution lite

Hmm I remember reading Hugh Ross doesn't believe in evolution. He hold the Old Earth view of Creation.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

God uses the laws of Science to Create the Universe. The Universe is very fine tuned. Even my machinist friends work in a tolerance of millionth. We do not always understand. For example Newton and Einstein have very different laws of gravity. No one seems to deny that gravity exists though. We believe that the laws are consistent anywhere you go in the universe. My son is working on a minor degree in applied mathematics. So we know how accurate and precise things are. He is real good at coming up with a formula that makes the math a lot easier and faster to do.

A finger print is 50 millionths thick, enough to cause problems when fitting spindle bearings.
A Sunnen Hone is guaranteed to hold 50 millionths.
A Romicron boring head will hold 80 millionths
A Crystal Lake Grinder can be special ordered with 5 millionths run out on its work head.
A Monarch 10EE was factory tested to hold 30 millionths on a 2" length.
Gage Blocks can be calibrated to about 2 millionths.
The crystal lake grinder is nothing short of amazing, 5 millionths, WOW! How did they do that?

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God uses the laws of Science to Create the Universe. The Universe is very fine tuned. Even my machinist friends work in a tolerance of millionth. We do not always understand. For example Newton and Einstein have very different laws of gravity. No one seems to deny that gravity exists though. We believe that the laws are consistent anywhere you go in the universe. My son is working on a minor degree in applied mathematics. So we know how accurate and precise things are. He is real good at coming up with a formula that makes the math a lot easier and faster to do.

A finger print is 50 millionths thick, enough to cause problems when fitting spindle bearings.
A Sunnen Hone is guaranteed to hold 50 millionths.
A Romicron boring head will hold 80 millionths
A Crystal Lake Grinder can be special ordered with 5 millionths run out on its work head.
A Monarch 10EE was factory tested to hold 30 millionths on a 2" length.
Gage Blocks can be calibrated to about 2 millionths.
The crystal lake grinder is nothing short of amazing, 5 millionths, WOW! How did they do that?

Gravity exists when, where and in the exact proportions God intended.
The so called "laws" of science are man-made vanities. I'm not spending one more minute of my short life intimidated by men with some letters behind their names who think they know everything. The more one knows the less one understands.

God can override these "laws" as he chooses. He made the sun stand still for Joshua. By our understanding the only way to do that would be to stop the rotation of the earth which would have had catastrophic effects on all life. We've become too big for our intellectual boots. All the laws we have made up can be changed in an instant. One day God will recede the sky like a scroll, lay the earth bare and melt the elements like wax. New "Laws of nature" will come into effect and all of man's vanity will be utterly crushed.

"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more"
Rev 21:1 (ESV)

 

[JohnR7]

Adam was created an adult. No science there
Eve created from Rib as an adult again no science

There is science though because the "Jewish" people have a lot of inbreeding and they have a lot of genetic diseases. They tend to start with Abraham & Sarah (Hagar) Some people say the purity of Adam and Eve has been lost do to the inner breeding over the years. We do have the Cohen gene today. This was from Aaron Moses brother. The DNA site 23 & Me has a page on people with "Jewish" ancestors: https://eu.customercare.23andme.com...4444434-Can-23andMe-identify-Jewish-ancestry-

 

[bojack]

Hmm I remember reading Hugh Ross doesn't believe in evolution. He hold the Old Earth view of Creation.

Modified creation then ? I watched him a couple times and wasn't too impressed .. I was lied to all my life against what the bible says then I found out for myself, I actually got angry and still am at what I was taught as facts in school .. Ross is just another compromise to me that I don't need.. When I go out or when I was more able and did witness I wanted bible answers for the tuff questions .. And the day I got saved I told Jesus something kinda dumb, ''it's all true or the deals off'' .. I have not found a lie yet and neither have I spent anytime looking for a lie in the Bible over 40 yrs later ... I've had to pray, fast, study and wait a few times but I've always got answers ..
God Bless Bro

 

[JohnR7]

New "Laws of nature" will come into effect and all of man's vanity will be utterly crushed.

Every miracle I have ever seen restores God's laws. God puts things back to the way He created and intended for them to be. If you serve a God that violates His own laws then you serve a different God then I do. Jesus said: "For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:18) Jesus is coming for a Bride without spot, blemish or wrinkle. Clearly none of us qualify for that right now. So between now and when He returns, He is going to have to do a work in His Church to prepare HIS Bride for when HE comes for her.

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless" (Ephesians 5:25,26,27)