Why Wasn't A Law Given By Which One Could Be Righteous?

[evyaniy]

He said He has power to lay His life down and He has power to take it up again. He said no one takes it from Him, and He said He will raise Himself up in 3 days.
((re: John 10:18, John 2:19))

this isn't the Law. where does the Law say, give up the ghost and then raise yourself?

He was expressing His faith in the promise of life in the Law. He said He has a commandment from His Father. That commandment is the promise of life in the law which He had confidence in. He still faced death as a man with faith that His Father would raise Him from the dead according to the promise in the law. The Psalms even reveal His prayers while He was dead. He prayed to be raised many times.

John 10:17-18 Therefore doth My Father love Me, because I lay down My life, that I might take it again.
No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received from My Father.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Righteousness could be attained under the law by being blameless in walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord, but this was self righteousness not God’s righteousness. God’s righteousness is by the faith of Jesus Christ.

Huh? " I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”[Galatians 2:21]

Righteousness could NOT be obtained/attained via the Law. If so, then the Christ's dead was meaningless.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

The law's purpose --> To deem guilt, condemn and shit every mouth

I LOL'd when I read this! I know you meant shut. But its funny nevertheless.

 

[evyaniy]

Hebrews 5:7-9 is referring to Yahshua's prayers as recorded in Psalms when it says He offered up prayers and supplications to Him that was able to save Him from death.

He learned obedience by offering His life to save us in obedience to the law and His Father. He was made perfect by His obedience to the Law by giving His life. His prayers were heard and His Father raised Him from the dead in accordance with the promise of life to Him in the law.

Hebrews 5:7-9 Who in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save Him from death, and was heard in that He feared;
Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered;
And being made perfect, He became the Author of Eternal Salvation unto all them that obey Him;

His Name Yahshua means Eternal Salvation. YAH means Eternal. Shua means Salvation. He is our Eternal Salvation through faith in Him for forgiveness of sins.

 

[John146]

Huh? " I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”[Galatians 2:21]

Righteousness could NOT be obtained/attained via the Law. If so, then the Christ's dead was meaningless.

Self righteousness yes, not God’s righteousness. Big difference. I could post many more.

Luke 1
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

[John146]

Self righteousness yes, not God’s righteousness. Big difference. I could post many more.

Luke 1
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Notice, our righteousness, not God’s righteousness.

Deuteronomy 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.

2 Samuel 22:21 The Lord rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.

 

[Judges1318]

why did grace & truth wait over a thousand years after Moses to come through Jesus Christ ((John 1:17))?

These looooong stretches of time (by human standards) tell us these things do not have their origins in man.
The consistency of the plan and it's fulfillment indicates all of this originates outside of the temporal and changing times and plans of men.

 

[Judges1318]

a law was given, but it was not one through which righteousness could come, and not one that could give life.
this is puzzling - because the law itself says 'the one who does these things will live by them' ((Leviticus 18:5, Romans 10:5, Galatians 3:12)) - yet by these things, i.e. Torah, no one receives life ((Galatians 2:16, Romans 3:20, Galatians 3:11 etc)).
still, it was given by God, and it is perfect.

Hebrews explains that the flaw is in man, not in the law.
If one lives by doing these things, then it reasons that the one who does not do these things will not live.
And so it is that there is no law that can give life, because no one can keep that law.
And nobody can keep that law because no is righteous in themselves.
I think it's that simple.

 

[posthuman]

Hebrews explains that the flaw is in man, not in the law.
If one lives by doing these things, then it reasons that the one who does not do these things will not live.
And so it is that there is no law that can give life, because no one can keep that law.
And nobody can keep that law because no is righteous in themselves.
I think it's that simple.

if it wasn't designed to impart life or to make righteous, then it isn't a flaw that it didn't.
i think it's significant that it is given to a people who have been cursing God in unbelief from the day they came out of Egypt, failing the 'test' of Exodus 16 and worshiping idols they made for themselves even while the Law was being transmitted to Moses. it's "not made for the righteous" ((1 Timothy 1:9))

God certainly knew that the people He gave this law to would not keep it. He explicitly says so, in Deuteronomy 31:15-22
so what kind of law did He give them -- what is His purpose in giving this law, with it's blessing and curses, to this people?

 

[posthuman]

His Name Yahshua means Eternal Salvation. YAH means Eternal. Shua means Salvation. He is our Eternal Salvation through faith in Him for forgiveness of sins.

it means God is Salvation

Yah is a person - an eternal person

Sing to God, sing praises to His name! ​

Extol Him who rides on the clouds, ​

by His name Yah, and rejoice before Him!​

(Psalm 68:4)​

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it means Salvation is God - Christ, who is our salvation, is Yah, who is the only Savior

I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me! ​

(Isaiah 43:11) ​

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the name of Jesus declares who He is, I AM
Jesus says He will raise Himself. He says He has power and authority to raise Himself -- that identifies Him as who He is, stronger than death, because He doesn't receive life from anyone; He is life, "The Life"

 

[posthuman]

I LOL'd when I read this! I know you meant shut. But its funny nevertheless.

we do that to our own mouths lol, and that's why they ought to be shut

 

[evyaniy]

those who were considered righteous under the law recognized their need of a Savior and salvation. They knew the sacrifices showed their inability to save themselves.

Obedience was relative under the law before Messiah. Only He was capable of fulfilling all the precepts and requirements of the law which foreshadowed and pointed to Him. He entered once into the Holy Place with His own blood to save us and fulfill the law.

 

[posthuman]

He entered once into the Holy Place with His own blood to save us and fulfill the law.

not after the order of Levi
which shows that those things were only a shadow

 

[evyaniy]

it means God is Salvation

Yah is a person - an eternal person

Sing to God, sing praises to His name! ​

Extol Him who rides on the clouds, ​

by His name Yah, and rejoice before Him!​

(Psalm 68:4)​

​

it means Salvation is God - Christ, who is our salvation, is Yah, who is the only Savior

I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me! ​

(Isaiah 43:11) ​

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the name of Jesus declares who He is, I AM
Jesus says He will raise Himself. He says He has power and authority to raise Himself -- that identifies Him as who He is, stronger than death, because He doesn't receive life from anyone; He is life, "The Life"

YAH was in Messiah reconciling the world to Himself.

YAH is the sound of I AM. When Moses asked His Name He said haYAH haYAH which is translated I AM in most English Bibles. haYAH is the YAH or the Eternal. YAH is the sound of Eternal. Listen to the sound when you say YAH. It has no beginning and no end. It is like a passing wind. It is being sounded constantly throughout His creation.

YAH the Father raised YAH the Son because of His obedience in keeping the law by offering Himself for our Salvation. Numerous verses in Acts and the Epistles tell us YAH raised Yahshua. Do a word search on raised in the Blue Letter Bible or some other tool and look.

 

[evyaniy]

not after the order of Levi
which shows that those things were only a shadow

Yes. Hebrews 7.....

11 Now if there was perfection through the Levitical priesthood (for under it have the people received the law), what further need was there for another Priest to arise after the order of Malki-Tzedek, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is of necessity a change made also of the law. 13 For He of Whom these things are said belongs to another tribe, from which no man has given attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord has sprung out of Judah, as to which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

 

[posthuman]

YAH the Father raised YAH the Son

what does that tell us about the fact that Christ literally said He Himself would raise Himself ?

“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”​

Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”​

But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.
(John 2:19-21)​

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As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.​

Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.
(John 10:15-18)

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i am belaboring the point because in order to deal with the idea that Christ inherited life by obedience to Moses we have to first clearly understand who Christ is

 

[posthuman]

YAH is the sound of I AM. When Moses asked His Name He said haYAH haYAH which is translated I AM in most English Bibles. haYAH is the YAH or the Eternal. YAH is the sound of Eternal. Listen to the sound when you say YAH. It has no beginning and no end. It is like a passing wind. It is being sounded constantly throughout His creation.

sounds like you are describing

Om ॐ ​

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[evyaniy]

sounds like you are describing

Om ॐ ​

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om has the sound of end in it. M is pronounced with your lips coming together which ends the sound.

YAH starts with YA which starts with open mouth and tongue and ends with AH which is also open mouth and tongue. Motion makes the sound or YAH. It is sounding out everywhere constantly throughout creation.

 

[evyaniy]

what does that tell us about the fact that Christ literally said He Himself would raise Himself ?

“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”​

Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”​

But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.​

(John 2:19-21)​

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As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.​

Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.​

(John 10:15-18)​

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i am belaboring the point because in order to deal with the idea that Christ inherited life by obedience to Moses we have to first clearly understand who Christ is

Yahshua is the Son of YAH and the Son of Man. He knew that His obedience to the Law by offering His life in accordance and fulfillment of the Law would raise Him to life again because of His confidence/faith in His Father's promise in the law that the Man Who did these things would live.

He still prayed to be raised because of His obedience to the law. That is what all of Psalm 119 is about. He was asking to be revived to life because of His obedience to the Law and the promise of life in the law.

 

[evyaniy]

One of the parts of Psalm 119 that definitely shows it is Yahshua's prayer.

73 JOD. Thy hands have made Me and fashioned Me: give Me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments. 74 They that fear Thee will be glad when they see Me; because I have hoped in Thy Word. 75 I know, O YHVH, that Thy judgments are right, and that Thou in faithfulness hast afflicted Me. 76 Let, I pray Thee, Thy merciful kindness be for My comfort, according to Thy Word unto thy servant. 77 Let Thy tender mercies come unto Me, that I may live: for thy law is My delight. 78 Let the proud be ashamed; for they dealt perversely with Me without a cause: but I will meditate in Thy precepts. 79 Let those that fear Thee turn unto Me, and those that have known Thy testimonies. 80 Let My heart be sound in Thy statutes; that I be not ashamed.

His confidence was in His Father's Word and Law to save Him because of His obedience. He did not neglect to ask to be saved. In this section He asked for YAH's mercy to come to Him so He would live..... because the Law is His delight, even though the law required His life as a Sacrifice.

He also prayed for us, that those who fear YAH would be glad to see Him and that we would turn to Him for Salvation.