Why does God oppose Judaizing?

[7seasrekeyed]

The OP is only interested in finding truth, not man's truth but the Lord's. If you think you have it and at the same time deny God so far as to discount all the OT tells of Him, including creation? well good luck. And if the OP is so dumb that the OP can't grasp what scripture tells us that has been captured in judaizim and you are able to do that well put your cards on the table and tell us, but include scripture to back up your smarts.

well, how is it that you cannot accept the scriptures that show you are wrong?

don't blame people here and I never called you dumb

actually, it is apparent that at this time you cannot grasp what a Judaizer is as a good number of people have tried to tell you with scripture

your response shows you must ignore the scripture that people post...has nothing to do with smarts...are you actually wanting truth?

perhaps you should go back and read all the scripture that has already been posted on your behalf as well as to show that you are simply incorrect..there are also links to site that explain what a Judaizer is and quite abit about the letter to the Galatians as well

but no one is going to force you

 

[gb9]

The Sabbath starts a few minutes before sunset on Friday night and ends an hour after sunset on Saturday. And you must think you are clairvoyant to know just what hour Christ rose, all we are told is that the discovery of it was made on Sunday morning.

All this talk of lying, where does that come from? And how do you manage to tie judaizing and Sabbath together? Scripture doesn't.

we can agree on this.

so, how do judeaizers ( you) say you " know" that Jesus rose on the Sabbath??

 

[Whispered]

“Thus says the Lord: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence.”
The Book of Jeremiah chapter 33:17–18


"three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" The Book of Matthew chapter 12:40. Jesus was crucified on Passover Wednesday. Thursday, the first feast of unleavened bread, was a high holy day and the first Sabbath of that year.

 

[gb9]

I answered, do you want me to shout? Salvation does NOT depend on keeping the Sabbath, and this post if not about the Sabbath it is speaking of whether God asks us to honor the feasts or does God designate it as only a fleshly act to be thought of as we think of fleshly circumcision. You come from left base on this Sabbath keeping. We have a special thread for that, go there.

o k.

no, the feasts were only commanded to Israel.

gentiles were never under the Mosaic Covenant that contained the feasts .

 

[gb9]

“Thus says the Lord: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence.”
The Book of Jeremiah chapter 33:17–18


"three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" The Book of Matthew chapter 12:40. Jesus was crucified on Passover Wednesday. Thursday, the first feast of unleavened bread, was a high holy day and the first Sabbath of that year.

I actually agree on the thur. ( by our way of keeping days) crucifiction .

but, as the O.P. just said an hour or so ago, no one knows exactly when Christ rose.

but, the women went the next morning, at least 12 hours after the Sabbath ended..

 

[Whispered]

I actually agree on the thur. ( by our way of keeping days) crucifiction .

but, as the O.P. just said an hour or so ago, no one knows exactly when Christ rose.

but, the women went the next morning, at least 12 hours after the Sabbath ended..

Pilate put Christ to death, the Roman soldiers executed the order. A Centurion and those with him came to realize Christ was the Son of God, therefore God's plan served its purpose saving the world, even beginning after Christ's death with those who were there nailing Him to the cross.
The Book of Matthew chapter 27

Easter Sunday is a pagan holdover from the feast of Ostara. Whatever day Christ was crucified, the point of importance I think is that He fulfilled His promise and arose after three days and nights in the earth. (Hearkening even to Jonah's experience as recollection there.)
And the world is in His debt.

 

[JamOn]

I actually agree on the thur. ( by our way of keeping days) crucifiction .

but, as the O.P. just said an hour or so ago, no one knows exactly when Christ rose.

but, the women went the next morning, at least 12 hours after the Sabbath ended..

You make a good point about the women arriving at the tomb after sunrise, though Mary is mentioned going to the tomb before first light.

after 6pm on the sabbath/Saturday begins the next day the first day of the week we call Sunday, interesting how secular days start at 12 midnight, and Jewish days start at 6pm

 

[JamOn]

“Thus says the Lord: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence.”
The Book of Jeremiah chapter 33:17–18


"three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" The Book of Matthew chapter 12:40. Jesus was crucified on Passover Wednesday. Thursday, the first feast of unleavened bread, was a high holy day and the first Sabbath of that year.

The issue I see with this set up is there is no mentioning of the ninth hour aka 3pm until 6pm is part of a separate day of the Hebrew time frame is evening to sunrise to sunset one day, first are the watches in the night then 12 hour sun shadow on a dail.

 

[Blik]

Yes "Judaizing"as how to the faithless Jews did dishonor to the feasts as shadows of the good thing to come. Shadow worshipers, sign and wonder seekers. Show us a miracle then we believe. . exercise faith. . .

Signs for those who rebel. Prophecy the tongue of God for those who believe God.

Judaizing is how Jews dishonor the feasts? Shallow worshipers? feast is a shadow? Wonder seekers? Asking for a miracle to believe? Make sense man.

Judaizing is using purely physical things as spiritual worship. This OP is discussing whether feasts are physical things or spiritual.

 

[JamOn]

There was four watches not two, Jewish people adapted to Rome time yet kept the watches added the fourth
before Hebrews used a three watch system but to keep with time under Rome control 3am to 6am was the forth watch seems likely time frame to rise

Matt 14:25
And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

 

[JamOn]

Hardest thing to believe for most is the first day was 3 hours long.

3pm/6pm thurs. day
6pm/6am fri. night
6am/6pm fri. day
6pm/6am sat. night
6am/6pm sat. day
6pm/6am sun. night

 

[Blik]

well, how is it that you cannot accept the scriptures that show you are wrong?

don't blame people here and I never called you dumb

actually, it is apparent that at this time you cannot grasp what a Judaizer is as a good number of people have tried to tell you with scripture

your response shows you must ignore the scripture that people post...has nothing to do with smarts...are you actually wanting truth?

perhaps you should go back and read all the scripture that has already been posted on your behalf as well as to show that you are simply incorrect..there are also links to site that explain what a Judaizer is and quite abit about the letter to the Galatians as well

but no one is going to force you

I have gone back to read some of your posts. They are full of hot air. You state things like that the OT law is no more, Christ did away with it, yet in black and white Christ says He didn't change them. You state that Paul put off stating to obey the law, no scripture backup or explanation. Actually, Paul went into detailed explanations that we are to obey the law but not the ceremonial law. That is what this thread is asking, if the feasts are ceremonial law or not.

You put all kinds of words in my mouth, words that are only in your own head. Here is a quote: "personally, you can follow Ho chi minh...what I find grievous, is that you deny what you actually do and try to ADD to salvation, which brings upon the person who does so an actual curse" So! Unless we lie, cheat, and steal we are cursed. !!!

You define judaizing as something added to salvation! Saved is saved done through faith, how is it possible to add to it? I am to have said life is not in the blood. You don't say how you came up with that idea, it isn't mine.

You say it is an error that Christ is our high priest when scripture tells us He is. One post actually repeated some of the things said here from scripture, saying you are telling us.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The only judging of this OP is whether God wants us to honor the feasts or not.

If God tells us to forever (for all generations that is forever in our kinds of time) keep the feasts days and then tells us he hates feast days, doesn't that make you question how that can be?

God also tells us to be circumcised and then don't be circumcised. God tells us to not eat animals designed to eat garbage and then God tells us nothing we put in our stomachs defiles us. Doesn't that make you wonder? Then God explains to us that if we do these material things without the spirit involvement, that is what makes them useless. We are to be spiritually circumcised and we are to keep ourselves from defilement, it is just that purely physical things do not do it.

The things we do because God blesses them are not done with a purpose of earning salvation, that is done through faith. But it is not profitable to do things in opposition to how God designed the world to work for our best interests. If we take that to the extreme of insisting on lying, cheating, and stealing it actually kills.

If the feasts are only a physical way of praise and prayer, then God hates them. If the feasts are, like the Lord's Prayer, simply praise of His salvation plan then it is profitable to honor them.

God never said He hates His feast days... why would He even do that? He said He hates our feast days, so if it was not ordained by Him he doesn't like it.

It was the same with the food, He never force fed Peter. He said that which He made pure (the gentiles) is pure. Peter never ate of the food.

We can argue these doctrines up and down, left and right but with manmade doctrines there will always be a mixing of the seeds and that is lukewarm in God's eyes.

You are absolutely right that we do things because we are obedient and because God bless them not because of salvation.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

“Thus says the Lord: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence.”
The Book of Jeremiah chapter 33:17–18


"three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" The Book of Matthew chapter 12:40. Jesus was crucified on Passover Wednesday. Thursday, the first feast of unleavened bread, was a high holy day and the first Sabbath of that year.

I know this is what is being taught in the churches nowadays, but unfortunately you are being fed muddy water. It is important to understand the feasts of God and that the Bible was written by Jews for Jews. They understood the feasts and Pesach was from Friday to Sunday.

Jewish way of thinking is if something happens minutes before a new day it counts for a full day. Jesus was crucified and died by 3 o'clock Friday afternoon (that is one day), then it was the Sabbath (Saturday) and then the first day of the week (Sunday) that started the Saturday evening.

We should not add to scripture

 

[gb9]

Pilate put Christ to death, the Roman soldiers executed the order. A Centurion and those with him came to realize Christ was the Son of God, therefore God's plan served its purpose saving the world, even beginning after Christ's death with those who were there nailing Him to the cross.
The Book of Matthew chapter 27

Easter Sunday is a pagan holdover from the feast of Ostara. Whatever day Christ was crucified, the point of importance I think is that He fulfilled His promise and arose after three days and nights in the earth. (Hearkening even to Jonah's experience as recollection there.)
And the world is in His debt.

non-responsive to what I said in my earlier post.

the romans did not invent sunday worship, there are several references to sunday worship in the N.T.

, as far as paganism goes, you and I and everyone else were born on a day in month, both named after pagan gods, in a year invented by pope Gregory ...

 

[gb9]

I have gone back to read some of your posts. They are full of hot air. You state things like that the OT law is no more, Christ did away with it, yet in black and white Christ says He didn't change them. You state that Paul put off stating to obey the law, no scripture backup or explanation. Actually, Paul went into detailed explanations that we are to obey the law but not the ceremonial law. That is what this thread is asking, if the feasts are ceremonial law or not.

You put all kinds of words in my mouth, words that are only in your own head. Here is a quote: "personally, you can follow Ho chi minh...what I find grievous, is that you deny what you actually do and try to ADD to salvation, which brings upon the person who does so an actual curse" So! Unless we lie, cheat, and steal we are cursed. !!!

You define judaizing as something added to salvation! Saved is saved done through faith, how is it possible to add to it? I am to have said life is not in the blood. You don't say how you came up with that idea, it isn't mine.

You say it is an error that Christ is our high priest when scripture tells us He is. One post actually repeated some of the things said here from scripture, saying you are telling us.

gentiles were and are not under the law. jews only.

Leviticus 26. the covenant was made with the " fathers of those who came out of Egypt."

did your ancestors come out of Egypt? if no, then that covenant was not made with you.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

gentiles were and are not under the law. jews only.

Leviticus 26. the covenant was made with the " fathers of those who came out of Egypt."

did your ancestors come out of Egypt? if no, then that covenant was not made with you.

The question should be why did they keep the law? What purpose was there for them keeping the law?

"the covenant was made with the " fathers of those who came out of Egypt" not only Israel fled out of Egypt. There was a multitude with them.

When Jacob died he told Ephraim he will become a multitude of nations...

This is an interesting topic

 

[gb9]

The question should be why did they keep the law? What purpose was there for them keeping the law?

"the covenant was made with the " fathers of those who came out of Egypt" not only Israel fled out of Egypt. There was a multitude with them.

When Jacob died he told Ephraim he will become a multitude of nations...

This is an interesting topic

my point is this-

blik thinks that the Law is divided into parts, and certain parts have to kept in order to be saved, and that rome invented sun. worship .

I am pointing that out.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

no, the feasts were only commanded to Israel.

But it remains God's feasts that is a shadow of the first and second coming of Christ. That is why it is important to understand the feasts and partake in it if possible

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Nowhere does God say it is Israel's feasts... it is His feasts

God bless friends

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I have gone back to read some of your posts. They are full of hot air. You state things like that the OT law is no more,NEVER EVER SAID THAT Christ did away with it, yet in black and white Christ says He didn't change them. You state that Paul put off stating to obey the law, NEVER EVER SAID THATno scripture backup or explanation. Actually, Paul went into detailed explanations that we are to obey the law but not the ceremonial law. That is what this thread is asking, if the feasts are ceremonial law or not. WHERE DID HE SAY THAT.

You put all kinds of words in my mouth, words that are only in your own head. Here is a quote: "personally, you can follow Ho chi minh...what I find grievous, is that you deny what you actually do and try to ADD to salvation, which brings upon the person who does so an actual curse" So! Unless we lie, cheat, and steal we are cursed. !!!

You define judaizing as something added to salvation! Saved is saved done through faith, how is it possible to add to it? I am to have said life is not in the blood. You don't say how you came up with that idea, it isn't mine.

You say it is an error that Christ is our high priest when scripture tells us He is. One post actually repeated some of the things said here from scripture, saying you are telling us.

like I said

nothing anyone says to or how much scripture proves you wrong, you will continue as you are

here is an example of why I say that. this gem appears at the end of your post:

You say it is an error that Christ is our high priest when scripture tells us He is

I have said the exact opposite over and over and over. In effect, you are either a liar and hope to dismiss what others say by lying, or you are even more confused than I thought

here is a challenge for you...you find one single post where I said Jesus is not our High Priest and I will end my membership in this forum and you can celebrate

show me where I said that. I am not even going to bother with the rest of your baloney. YOU are actually the Judaizer here



and that goes for the rest of you manipulating scripture as well. just find where I said that and I will leave.