The Times of the Gentiles

[Kolistus]

He is there now doing exactly that. Jesus IS Israel so the Land of Israel = the whole world. Canaan was a symbol of this.

I agree that Jesus is the fullfilment of Israel (called my son out of Egypt)

But to say that Jesus is the piece of land there in the middle-east while it sounds convincing at first to say the whole world is Canaan. You need to consider that in Zechariah 14 and elsewhere the language mentions specific gates and walls and locations within the city of Jerusalem and the surrounding area. That makes the idea of it being the whole world less likely because of how accurately these places are depicted.

 

[Dave-L]

I agree that Jesus is the fullfilment of Israel (called my son out of Egypt)

But to say that Jesus is the piece of land there in the middle-east while it sounds convincing at first to say the whole world is Canaan. You need to consider that in Zechariah 14 and elsewhere the language mentions specific gates and walls and locations within the city of Jerusalem and the surrounding area. That makes the idea of it being the whole world less likely because of how accurately these places are depicted.

Canaan was a symbol of heaven to Abraham. And the promises far exceeded the capacity of the land to sustain them. But the whole world being blessed in Abraham is a present reality where Jesus rules as God from David's throne (God's throne in the OT) in heaven.

 

[Kolistus]

Canaan was a symbol of heaven to Abraham. And the promises far exceeded the capacity of the land to sustain them. But the whole world being blessed in Abraham is a present reality where Jesus rules as God from David's throne (God's throne in the OT) in heaven.

Are there any verses where Abraham thought it meant heaven? Im with you if there are

 

[Dave-L]

Are there any verses where Abraham thought it meant heaven? Im with you if there are

“By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.” Hebrews 11:8–10 (KJV 1900)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's why debates happen. If both knew the truth there would be no debate. So when you find yourself in a debate it does more to speak for ignorance than anything else. What I prefer is no debate, but each writing their views and let the reader decide. If you don't agree with me, write your own article and let the reader decide.

Debate is 2 people looking at a passage of scripture and breaking that passage down to show why they see it the way they do

debate is not one person breaking down a passage of scripture, and the other saying “your wrong”

that is what we have had here

if you want to debate, that’s fine, I personally want to learn. I want someone to show me in my thinking, in my breaking down of a passage to show me if I am in error in a way that will show me if I am wrong, that way I am not proud, like I used to be, and unreachable, I had to open up to find so much of what I was taught as a child was in error. It was hard

its also why I really push others I see who seem to have the same issue, because I want them to find freedom liIe I did,

 

[Dave-L]

Debate is 2 people looking at a passage of scripture and breaking that passage down to show why they see it the way they do

debate is not one person breaking down a passage of scripture, and the other saying “your wrong”

that is what we have had here

if you want to debate, that’s fine, I personally want to learn. I want someone to show me in my thinking, in my breaking down of a passage to show me if I am in error in a way that will show me if I am wrong, that way I am not proud, like I used to be, and unreachable, I had to open up to find so much of what I was taught as a child was in error. It was hard

its also why I really push others I see who seem to have the same issue, because I want them to find freedom liIe I did,

How can I be right if you are right?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is a possibility the born again are just deceived. I was for many years until I was able to disprove a physical kingdom from scripture. The Millennium is a Pharisee doctrine Jesus refuted continually throughout the gospels by teaching a spiritual kingdom instead.

Your assuming you are not decieved, thus you are in effect closed minded. And are closed to any real debate.

you are dong just what I said, you are not debating, you are attacking, and that is why you are getting so much backlash from quite a few members, it’s your attitude

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He is there now doing exactly that. Jesus IS Israel so the Land of Israel = the whole world. Canaan was a symbol of this.

Does this mean that God stopped his promise to a nation of people. just because it was to you a symbol? We just take a nation of people God promised he would never forsake no matter what, and shuns them completely even IF they repent?

 

[Dave-L]

Your assuming you are not decieved, thus you are in effect closed minded. And are closed to any real debate.

you are dong just what I said, you are not debating, you are attacking, and that is why you are getting so much backlash from quite a few members, it’s your attitude

Suggestion: why don't you post a follow up article the the ones you don't agree with? And cut the stress for all caused by arguing?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Canaan was a symbol of heaven to Abraham. And the promises far exceeded the capacity of the land to sustain them. But the whole world being blessed in Abraham is a present reality where Jesus rules as God from David's throne (God's throne in the OT) in heaven.

No, Canaan was a gift a god gave abrahams descendents,

this is called twisting the word, abraham did not even recieve the gift, nor did his son or grandson, so did they not get heaven either?

 

[Dave-L]

Does this mean that God stopped his promise to a nation of people. just because it was to you a symbol? We just take a nation of people God promised he would never forsake no matter what, and shuns them completely even IF they repent?

Jesus IS Abraham's seed to whom the promises apply. Not the wicked majority.

 

[Dave-L]

No, Canaan was a gift a god gave abrahams descendents,

this is called twisting the word, abraham did not even recieve the gift, nor did his son or grandson, so did they not get heaven either?

He gave it to Abraham's seed who is Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How can I be right if you are right?

So this is all about you being right, not you searching to see if maybe yu are wrong.

again, why are you here then? To push your view on people? Or to learn?

i have changed my views on so many things since I came, when we are stuck in deep, we become unreachable. And there no give

a d that causes fights, not sincere discussion

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Suggestion: why don't you post a follow up article the the ones you don't agree with? And cut the stress for all caused by arguing?

Suggestion

why don’t you go back and find all the times people gave you passages of scripture and asked you to show them where they were wrong and give an honest answer to their question.

I am not arguing right now, I a, trying to get you to open up and see what your doing Your just hurting yourself and your cause

 

[Dave-L]

So this is all about you being right, not you searching to see if maybe yu are wrong.

again, why are you here then? To push your view on people? Or to learn?

i have changed my views on so many things since I came, when we are stuck in deep, we become unreachable. And there no give

a d that causes fights, not sincere discussion

Can you write paragraphs? Why not drop the arguing and write rebuttal articles instead?

 

[Dave-L]

Suggestion

why don’t you go back and find all the times people gave you passages of scripture and asked you to show them where they were wrong and give an honest answer to their question.

I am not arguing right now, I a, trying to get you to open up and see what your doing Your just hurting yourself and your cause

Shouldn't we tend to our own beams in our eyes before tweakin the splinters in other's eyes?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus IS Abraham's seed to whom the promises apply. Not the wicked majority.

There you go

remember a few pages back where someoneposted the word slander to you, and you said to prove where you slandered

here you just standard me,

in this post you claim I think God will give the land back to the “wicked majority” when I have never stated or even hinted that this is true

thats why you can not hear a word people say. Because you are engrained with what the Roman church has based their whole theology that you are following on, a hatred of the Jews, and demanding god is done tithe them because they are evil

,is ten, zhod is not going to give the wicked majority back their land, he is going to give the righteous believing majority who have repented and confessed their sins back their land.

from now on, don‘t ever bring this wicked majority up again, when you do you are slandering people

that is sin my friend

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He gave it to Abraham's seed who is Christ.

Nope

he gave it to issac and Jacob and his twelve sons through ALL their generations

why do you ignore these words.

 

[Dave-L]

There you go

remember a few pages back where someoneposted the word slander to you, and you said to prove where you slandered

here you just standard me,

in this post you claim I think God will give the land back to the “wicked majority” when I have never stated or even hinted that this is true

thats why you can not hear a word people say. Because you are engrained with what the Roman church has based their whole theology that you are following on, a hatred of the Jews, and demanding god is done tithe them because they are evil

,is ten, zhod is not going to give the wicked majority back their land, he is going to give the righteous believing majority who have repented and confessed their sins back their land.

from now on, don‘t ever bring this wicked majority up again, when you do you are slandering people

that is sin my friend

Are you familiar with the Talmud? The "oral traditions" Jesus fought against?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Shouldn't we tend to our own beams in our eyes before tweakin the splinters in other's eyes?

Practice what you preach much?