The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

[Dave-L]

obviously you aren't getting 'paid' enough, or you would know the answer!

I would rather be proven wrong than slandered.

 

[oldethennew]

PS. 119:165.
Great peace have they which love Thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

 

[Dave-L]

PS. 119:165.
Great peace have they which love Thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Which Law?

 

[oldethennew]

(The Law of God)...

 

[TooFastTurtle]

Scripture teaches that Jesus is Israel fully revealed in the New Covenant. Israel is also we who believe in him. We are global and Jesus rules the nations from David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above. Making the whole world the land of Israel. I can break this down for you one point at a time if you like.

I would really enjoy it. And I promise I will listen with an open mind and take great care in going through your verses if you provide any. Zechariah 14, Joel 3 are chapters that should be of great difficulty to the amil view.

 

[Adstar]

I thought you mentioned it and a tribulation....

I mentioned the rapture.. I did not say it was a pre-tribulation rapture.. I believe the rapture happens on the day of the return of the LORD Jesus Christ..

1 Thessalonians 4: KJV
15 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. {16} For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: {17} Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

The Caught up in this verse is translated as rapture in Latin from which we derive the word Rapture in English..

 

[Nehemiah6]

I believe the rapture happens on the day of the return of the LORD Jesus Christ..

That would be well-nigh impossible. See Revelation 19.

 

[Chris1975]

That would be well-nigh impossible. See Revelation 19.

Well spotted Nehemiah.

There are most certainly saints in heaven already (before Jesus returns to judge the Beast and his armies). This is because of the first rapture of the Church.

There is a second rapture for Israel elect (Matthew 24), which does happen at the end of the tribulation.

 

[dcontroversal]

The MILLENNIUM: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10840-millennium
By: Joseph Jacobs, A. Biram

Table of Contents

Messianic Period an Interregnum.

The reign of peace, lasting one thousand years, which will precede the Last Judgment and the future life. The concept has assumed especial importance in the Christian Church, where it is termed also “chiliasm,” designating the dominion of Jesus with the glorified and risen saints over the world for a thousand years. Chiliasm or the idea of the millennium is, nevertheless, older than the Christian Church; for the belief in a period of one thousand years at the end of time as a preliminary to the resurrection of the dead was held in Parseeism. This concept is expressed in Jewish literature in Enoch, xiii., xci. 12-17; in the apocalypse of the ten weeks, in Apoc. Baruch, xl. 3 (“And his dominion shall last forever, until the world doomed to destruction shall perish”); and in II Esdras vii. 28-29. Neither here nor in later Jewish literature is the duration of this Messianic reign fixed. It is clear, however, that the rule of the Messiah was considered as an interregnum, from the fact that in many passages, such as Pes. 68a, Ber. 34b, Sanh. 91b and 99a, Shab. 63a, 113b, and 141b, a distinction is made between and , although it must be noted that some regarded the Messianic rule as the period of the fulfilment of the prophecies, while others saw in it the time of the subjugation of the nations.



So it is no wonder it found its way into the first century Church comprised mainly of Jews.



But in time, the church condemned it as heresy. First, According to the Nicene Creed


We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made; Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy catholic* and apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Sproul, R. C. (Ed.). (2015). The Reformation Study Bible: English Standard Version (2015 Edition) (p. 2389). Orlando, FL: Reformation Trust.

And condemned as heresy by the Council of Ephesus in 431 in two ways.



“In addition to its condemnation of Nestorianism, the council also condemned

Pelagianism, [2] and rejected premillennialism (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Papias,

Tertullian, Origen, Lactantius) in favor of amillennialism (Clement of

Alexandria, Chrysostom, Jerome and Augustine of Hippo): "Augustine's

explanation became Church doctrine when it was adopted as the definitive

explanation of the millennium by the Council of Ephesus in 431."[35]



Secondly, “Canon 7 condemned any departure from the creed established by the First Council of Nicaea (325)” This affirmed Jesus “shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.” Thereby denouncing premillennialism and the doctrines leading up to and including Dispensationalism of the 1800s.



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The above drivel should be stricken from CC..........it is not only laughable, but reeks of ignorance, a rejection of scripture and and is akin to a Tabloid style news article with no factual evidence....

 

[dcontroversal]

This is simply LAUGHABLE. Since the revelation of the Millennium was given to Christ by God, and Christ gave that revelation to John as recorded in the book of Revelation (chapter 20), it is clear that this OP is an attack on Bible truth, not the ideas or teachings of the Pharisees. Actually Amillennialism is heresy.

I agree......idiotic to boot.......some of the people on this site get their facts from the back of a cracker jack box....

 

[tourist]

Jesus IS Israel. And those who believe in him. Secular Israel is not biblical Israel.

You are entitled to your opinion.

 

[tourist]

His kingdom is now. But only the born again can see it.

Apparently, it's not a thriving peaceful kingdom, more like a third world country. If this is actually the kingdom of Jesus and He has the government upon His shoulders, then I would have to say, based on experience and observation, that His governing style sucks.

 

[preacher4truth]

All of you are playing @Dave-L 's game. There is no solid foundation in his doctrine, and he is denying the plain scriptures. Nor is he teachable. And other than only 1 or 2 people here @notuptome and @preacher4truth who seem to agree with him, his views are totally contrarian to what is common Christian knowledge.

My suggestion is to stop feeding him.

Oh look, I'm being trolled.

FTR @Dave-L is sound in doctrine. You? Not so much.

 

[preacher4truth]

Apparently, it's not a thriving peaceful kingdom, more like a third world country. If this is actually the kingdom of Jesus and He has the government upon His shoulders, then I would have to say, based on experience and observation, that His governing style sucks.

You need to be careful here, and do a lot more studying. We are (at least those who are born again) presently, while alive, in Christ's kingdom.

 

[Chris1975]

Oh look, I'm being trolled.

FTR @Dave-L is sound in doctrine. You? Not so much.

OK just for the record @preacher4truth :
- you don't believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is relevant any longer
-you don't believe in the Operation of the Gifts of the Spirit today
- you don't believe in a literal 1000 millennial reign of Christ from Jerusalem
-you believe that the words of John (the one whom Jesus loved) was actually influenced by writings from 280BC as opposed to Holy Spirit revelation (as posted by @Dave-L )

You have made a statement that @Dave-L 's doctrine is solid. That's a big statement to make considering how this thread has evolved. Are we to understand from you that you too hold these above positions?

 

[tourist]

You need to be careful here, and do a lot more studying. We are (at least those who are born again) presently, while alive, in Christ's kingdom.

If that gives you comfort then go for it. I am not exactly a biblical novice by the way and have years of study. If the book of Revelation is not true than it should not be considered scripture., the same for the other prophesies in the bible.

 

[PennEd]

Now......

So King David's throne was/is in Heaven, at the right Hand of the Father? Show me ANYWHERE in Scripture where King David sat on his throne in heaven please.

THIS, is where Jesus is RIGHT NOW:

Acts 7:55–56; Romans 8:34; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 1:3; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12; Hebrews 12:2; 1 Peter 3:22; Revelation 3:21; Matthew 22:44; Acts 2:33
55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Put On the New Self
3 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Jesus, High Priest of a Better Covenant
8 Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,
2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at my right hand,
until I put your enemies under your feet”’?
33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the
Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

 

[John146]

His kingdom is now. But only the born again can see it.

What’s it look like? Can you see Jesus on the throne?

 

[Chris1975]

So King David's throne was/is in Heaven, at the right Hand of the Father? Show me ANYWHERE in Scripture where King David sat on his throne in heaven please.

THIS, is where Jesus is RIGHT NOW:

Acts 7:55–56; Romans 8:34; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 1:3; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12; Hebrews 12:2; 1 Peter 3:22; Revelation 3:21; Matthew 22:44; Acts 2:33
55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Put On the New Self
3 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Jesus, High Priest of a Better Covenant
8 Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,
2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at my right hand,
until I put your enemies under your feet”’?
33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the
Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

You may only get a one liner in response.

 

[Jackson123]

The 1000 years is not the Kingdom. When the 1000 years end, Satan attacks the kingdom.

You say 1000 years is not the kingdom.

Rev 20 say Jesus reigned for 1000 years so Jesus reigned what?

Then you say in the end of 1000 years satan attack kingdom

No kingdom but attack kingdom confusing me